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Dark Roze -> Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 7:26:51)

Mages and Bounty Hunter's are overpowered
Merc's have so many waste skills (Maul, Double Strike, Blood Shield) and have only one passive (Hybrid Armor).
And Mages have Defense Matrix for Defense, Technician for Resistance and two passives (Deadly Aim and Reroute) and also their assumilation requires no energy whereas Atom Smasher requires 6 energy or even more.
Bounty Hunter's have Reflex Boost for Defense and Energy shield for Resistance and two passives (Shadow arts and Blood Lust) whereas Mercenaries have only one (Hybrid Armor). Their EMP Grenade is unblockable!

So Overall...
http://www.pokemonelemental.com/images/Comparison.png[


This is just unfair, this should be balanced as soon as possible.

Image tags removed. Please don't use them in your posts. ~Mecha



Synbad Syndicated -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (Mercenaries are no more Mercenaries) (5/31/2011 7:29:55)

I laugh at this troll atempt, but i love you for this
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(Mages) and Bounty Hunter's are overpowered



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 7:42:52)

This is a hilarious joke. I wont even start a discussion. Theirs no point.



Cookielord12 -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 7:48:23)

you cant judge how good a class is by defences. yes i agree that mercs are underpowered in defence (only a bit) but they have by far the best attack options/builds of all the classes



TurkishIncubus -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 7:54:44)

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This is a hilarious joke. I wont even start a discussion. Theirs no point.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 8:02:27)

lol is this a joke cause i m really roflmao. bh and mage are ok the way they are and so are mercs. just that 5 focus is the problem now. yes merc are weak at dfenece but to think bout it hybrid is a forever passive. while bh and mages need to use energy for the defence and it is for just a limited time and remeber mercs have Bs(nonono not a bad word but blood shield).



Arcanis -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 8:28:12)

Well,table seems nice. Lovely effort. [;)]



pinoy idols -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 8:43:58)

@dark roze
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Merc's have so many waste skills (Maul, Double Strike, Blood Shield)
Dude are you kidding? Those are relatively fine skills. You hate them probably coz u don't know how to use them properly. Also, hybrid is a 2-in-1 passive skill. Why need more if you have something that gives you +12 to either DEF or RES? Also, Atom Smasher is relatively cheap. Where have you seen a skill that requires only a measly 15 energy if maxed? Also, Atom Smasher can't be nerfed. EMP can be countered by a good Malfunction. And how is Blood Shield a wasted skill? People just don't know when to use it properly. Perhaps they use BS when they have only 25 or less HP. If you used max Blood Shield for example, you can have +12 to DEF and +13 to RES. What other class can do that? Also, BS is free.

If you even dare start an argument about what we say, then that's gonna be hilarious. So don't even think about it.



Wind -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 8:56:08)

Hey Dark Roze
Just letting you know in your post you have a image with [image][ /image] tags which aren't allowed as said in the rules
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No Image Tags Do not use [image][ /image] tags in this forum. Please provide any relevant images in link form.

But you can still just post the link to the picture http://www.pokemonelemental.com/images/Comparison.png


Also to your topic its an opinion discussiong, i'm guessing really you might think us mages and bounty hunters are OP because your just a lower level right now, trust me when you get to about level 33 all mercs are really strong. Note this would depend on the player and build some people think they're weak because they don't have the right strataegy while others are really strong. Mages and Bounty hunters are also pretty strong at the start from low levels against the other classes.



Dark Roze -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 9:07:35)

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Also to your topic its an opinion discussiong, i'm guessing really you might think us mages and bounty hunters are OP because your just a lower level right now, trust me when you get to about level 33 all mercs are really strong. Note this would depend on the player and build some people think they're weak because they don't have the right strataegy while others are really strong. Mages and Bounty hunters are also pretty strong at the start from low levels against the other classes.

I am not a lower level Mercenary, i am a level 33 Varium Mercenary
http://www.epicduel.com/charpage.asp?id=Dark%20Roze

I am playing epicduel for over 1 year and i know how to play. I have so much of game experience i can't tell.


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Dude are you kidding? Those are relatively fine skills. You hate them probably coz u don't know how to use them properly. Also, hybrid is a 2-in-1 passive skill. Why need more if you have something that gives you +12 to either DEF or RES? Also, Atom Smasher is relatively cheap. Where have you seen a skill that requires only a measly 15 energy if maxed? Also, Atom Smasher can't be nerfed. EMP can be countered by a good Malfunction. And how is Blood Shield a wasted skill? People just don't know when to use it properly. Perhaps they use BS when they have only 25 or less HP. If you used max Blood Shield for example, you can have +12 to DEF and +13 to RES. What other class can do that? Also, BS is free.

If you even dare start an argument about what we say, then that's gonna be hilarious. So don't even think about it.

Here's another chart
Assumlation-Blockable-No Energy Required
EMP Grenade-Unblockabe-Energy Required
Atom Smasher-Blockable-Energy Required

Atom Smasher is probably the worst -.-



Allstar helios -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 9:32:22)

Mages and bounty hunters are not overpowered

bounty hunters and mages have tactic

And bro bounty hunters and tech mages dont have hybrid armour



Hun Kingq -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 9:42:56)

Dark Roze, You need to compare EMP, Assimilation, and Atom smasher at max when it comes to energy drain and you will see EMP comes in first, Atom Smasher second, Assimilation dead last. The mages energy is taken away at level 1 we don't have enough for field medic, defense matrix, technician nor any other skills on the skill tree. Reroute only works if no blocks and high enough damage to make a difference with the sidearm if it is 1 then 2 then you will only see a small amount of energy returned.



pinoy idols -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 9:46:17)

@dark Yeah sure AS might be the worst, but it can take away a large amt. of energy. Let's say you normally inflict around 30 base damage. With 1 AS, you can take away around 15-16 energy. And it costs only a fraction of EMP. So if you're a STR merc, if your base damage is 45 and your AS is maxed, you can take away 35 or so energy. However, it's blockable. So I guess you're right. EMP still rules. Oh and sorry for daring you. I thought you were a low level noob. Turns out you're a level cap merc already. I'm sorry about that.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 10:02:11)

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Assumlation-Blockable-No Energy Required
EMP Grenade-Unblockabe-Energy Required
Atom Smasher-Blockable-Energy Required

now lets take the multi
TM- Staff Required-no added affects
BH- no claws required-no added affects
MERC- No club required-added affect
i cld do the same thing with stun and ultimate moves



od -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 10:31:12)

Maul is NOT a wasted skill. Str mercs use it all the time to attempt a 2- hit KO. Also you guys have intimidate which destroys str builds



Dark Roze -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 10:56:06)

@od
What if maul gets blocked?
Then it will become ours 2 hit KO o.o
And also, bounty hunters blocks strength mercs so much. So its a waste



T29060 -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 11:50:57)

All I can say is Lol. Actually merc are the Op 1s



Light Stridr -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 12:47:31)

Well tell me why there are so many mercs everywhere?
If you can come up with a valid answer that supports your point, I will commend you.

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Hardly.
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Well people become merc because they think other classes are weak (which are probably stronger) or they're having another account
They aren't stronger, and i say this from experience.
If you look at most of the leader board, a good majority of them are mercs, because they are currently the strongest.
they have the largest variety of builds, whereas tech mages and BHs are stretched to find good builds.



Dark Roze -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 12:51:17)

Well people become merc because they think other classes are weak (which are probably stronger) or they're having another account



frosty123 -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:05:37)

... wow really? really? i am shocked beyond words to know that you decide to bring this up. MAges are OP? What the heck is that? Every class is the best in its own way.



BlueKatz -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:06:56)

You can't compare classes by one or 2 skills...



Epic Pwnser -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:11:40)

You kinda forgot about bunker buster, artillery strike, Surgical strike, intimidate.

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This is a hilarious joke. I wont even start a discussion. Theirs no point.

^+1 for this



Lectrix -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:15:37)

LOL! Thins is funny. I second phrax's post. And Isaiah's. And T29060's, and Epic Pwnser's...

I'm not even gonna waste my precious time arguing. I WILL, however, quote myself from a previous thread:

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"Mercs don't have debuff Skills"?!? That's why Artillery Strike, Bunker Buster, and so many of your other Skills are Overpowered?!? That's why all of your Builds work out perfectly?!? HAH! Do you think we Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters WANT to waste a turn applying a Debuff while you use your overpowered Bots or Auxiliaries on your first turn? Why don't we get Overpowered Resistance and Defense ignoring Attacks that can be effective without a Debuff? Why should we waste a turn?

I am DISGUSTED with Artillery Strike and all of your other mindless "Skills". Why should we have useless Multi Skills? Because we have Blood Lust or Reroute? Give us Hybrid Armor, and we'll happily trade in our Multi Skills. I'll even throw in Supercharge; who needs the pathetic excuse for an "Ultimate Skill"?!?


That's it, I'm out. Good day to you



goldslayer1 -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:39:44)

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They aren't stronger, and i say this from experience.
If you look at most of the leader board, a good majority of them are mercs, because they are currently the strongest.
they have the largest variety of builds, whereas tech mages and BHs are stretched to find good builds.

while mercs have different varieties of builds, BH still have by far the best one most effective in winrate and speed.
str bh can easily achieve 90%+ (commonly 95% for the smarter ones) and at a speed of 40-50 wins an hour.

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"Mercs don't have debuff Skills"?!? That's why Artillery Strike, Bunker Buster, and so many of your other Skills are Overpowered?!? That's why all of your Builds work out perfectly?!? HAH! Do you think we Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters WANT to waste a turn applying a Debuff while you use your overpowered Bots or Auxiliaries on your first turn? Why don't we get Overpowered Resistance and Defense ignoring Attacks that can be effective without a Debuff? Why should we waste a turn?

I am DISGUSTED with Artillery Strike and all of your other mindless "Skills". Why should we have useless Multi Skills? Because we have Blood Lust or Reroute? Give us Hybrid Armor, and we'll happily trade in our Multi Skills. I'll even throw in Supercharge; who needs the pathetic excuse for an "Ultimate Skill"?!?


IMO bh are more OP than mercs.
and tech mages aren't so bad as before now.
if u loose alot with tech mage, its because ur not using it right.
i fight alot of tech mages as BH and merc. and i beat most because they aren't smart enough.
its all about staying 1 move ahead from the other guy. for example if u were a good mage before, then u would know what to do against other mages when ur a different class. knowing the other class alot helps when ur fighting it urself with a different one (also includes builds)

mercs are actualy not so hard to beat as other classes. things like a simple EMP or malf will screw them up. a smart merc is wise enough to not waste a turn on switching hybrid over when malfed (specially if they could make a crucial move on the enemy)

since mercs cant lower ur defense we have to have stronger attacks. (unlike BH and mages who can make their attacks stronger and lower enemy defense at the same time.)



DeathGuard -> RE: Tech Mages and Bounty Hunters are overpowered :/ (5/31/2011 20:53:10)

This thread really really make sme laugh. Merc are the most powerful class right now, how can de be uped? The control 2 vs 2, and sometimes 1 vs 1 with strenght builds, they are not uped. Have you ever thinked how many damage artillery strike can do? I have seen more than 120 damage use using it so what is with ''Mercs are uped''. You are blond or what dude? If you complain about this, you can't use your skills well, because mercs got their skill tree perfect.



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