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Ranloth -> Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:14:20)

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5. PAYMENT OBLIGATIONS.

b. REFUND, CANCELLATION & EXPERIENCE REIMBURSEMENT POLICY.
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Nothing in this Agreement places a duty on Company to ever reimburse any player by providing experience credit for any experience lost for any reason. Company will never reimburse or be obligated to reimburse players for any experience loss in a monetary manner, such as but not limited to monetary reimbursement or monetary credit.


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29. MODIFICATIONS.

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Not sure if 18 exactly applies here but it's all taken from here. Upon creating the account, you agreed with these terms so you cannot just go against them.
And seriously just stop with these threads people, you do NOT even know how TLM will end up and you moan already? You had evolved classes for a week, use brain to think of a build that can beat them - not just say it's OP because you're having hard time. Use some strategy, not just spam same thing over and over.
No one told you to change class, no one told you to spend the money and time on the game...

Also it was said that during Beta, Gamma, Delta, etc, stages of the games items are being balanced not nerfed. Play when game is fully out, not in its early stages and you'll see balance.



DeathGuard -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:19:06)

This is really true, even Illuminator took the time to post a simmilar post like this one to explain them the situation about it.



Soda Pop -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:25:06)

Definitely. Stop crying about the debuff tlm will receive and refer to this. Don't click agree if you disagree.



xxmirxx -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:25:56)

I want warning on Design Notes
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Warning: Classes are subject to change and could be nerfed and/or buffed over time. So be warned and choose wisely. Because you will not be refunded on Varuim,Credits or Artix Points.
like IsaiahtheMage said. I am tech mage and still think ED cheat everyone. They only warn us after second day there will be nerfs seriously wtf thats dumb.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:26:27)

always read the this kind of stuff or u might end up in a human centipad



Soda Pop -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:28:05)

You'll have to count on the Geniuses and Kyle's dad if you become a human centipad.

Plus, mir, they said classes would be subject to change on the design notes.



Ranloth -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:30:12)

Added additional sentence in the first post.

@cyberbakio ryugan
Yeah I remember it too, thanks to him I posted this.

Mirv, seriously just stop. You pressed accept upon reading T&C, which are in every game to tick that you've read them or there's link to them. It's your fault if you've done something wrong.
Stop having goes at ED as it's just a game, not your whole life! You don't even know how a business works in detail, what they do is change items and then listen to the opinion. That is called Customer Service and feedback from other people.
If they do something wrong, they got feedback and can avoid it in the future.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:32:51)

Like I said on my previous post. I want a warning in-game and on the forums we read this thing a long time ago. When we first registered that was half a year ago(or more for some people) who the heck is gonna remeber this? Even since I remeber it now. I don't care. I wan't a more public warning. What about new players? Who don't even know about nerfs? You can't just nerf them and expect them to not demand a refund.



DeathGuard -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:36:21)

@Isaiah: Most of the new players don't know how to retrain so what they will know about class change?



ND Mallet -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:38:42)

@Isaiah
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29. MODIFICATIONS.
Company may, in its sole discretion and without prior notice, (a) revise these Terms of Use; (b) modify the Site and/or the Service; and (c) discontinue the Site and/or Service at any time. Company shall post any revision to these Terms of Use to the Site, and the revision shall be effective immediately on such posting. You agree to review these Terms of Use and other online policies posted on the Site periodically to be aware of any revisions. You agree that, by continuing to use or access the Site following notice of any revision, you shall abide by any such revision.
It's part of the Terms & Conditions to review them from time to time.



xxmirxx -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:40:38)

Were we warn please tell me were on first page. heres what cindy says
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Tac Merc isn't the OP class, lol. I actually didn't say the other skills, because their names weren't set in stone (er. code) yet.
So we finally get warn at post 176 seriously WTF thats call warning after we already switch to TLM we were then.. http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=19191257&mpage=1&key=%EF%BF%BD first page are actually warning http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=19191257&mpage=8&key=%EF%BF%BD



Ranloth -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 17:40:43)

Isaiah, read the first post again.
Terms and Conditions? Who remembers them? Well you should as you agreed upon the creation of the account so if you have problem with something in-game and it's in T&C then it was your fault for not reading it. NOT Staff's..
New players you say? Getting 50K Credits takes at least to Lvl 25 (Arcade if lucky) if not higher.. Varium players? It's their choice but actually a lot of them know about 'Pedia and/or Forum.
Seriously just grow up, stop arguing over a game as it shows how childish you are about it and trying to act mature about it at the same time.. Do you expect to do the same if you won't get pay rise at work?

@The ND Mallet Guy
Added #29 as well to first post, thanks.



edwardvulture -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:08:56)

Aw dang. Man.... SHould have thought harder before purchasing varium I hate it. I hope they could make something like 5000 varium back to 5000 BP's



Wraith -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:13:02)

God. When you sign up to Gmail they tell you a bunch of terms. You have to agree. When you sign up to anything there's always some ToS thing that you have to agree. If you don't read it thats your problem.




Bunshichi -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:32:10)

^ I hope thats a alternate account trans o.e



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:38:59)

@Trans You do not tell me what I do. I shall continue if I wan't. My choice. I payed real money on this game to change class. Not to be nerfed the next week. Therefore discussion closed. I have no care for what you say.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:40:42)

@isaiah
and wut was ur reason for changing?



xxmirxx -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:45:43)

IsaiahtheMage I agree with you and everthing you wrote here. I want done this way
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Warning: Classes are subject to change and could be nerfed and/or buffed over time. So be warned and choose wisely. Because you will not be refunded on Varuim,Credits or Artix Points.
Then no excuse for anyone not know.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:55:32)

@zman 2 To test out the new version of Mercs. It looked pretty cool. Which it is. Which is why I like it but I have to admit it is Oped.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 18:57:46)

@above
u wanted to test out a new class so u payed to test it so u did get wut u payed for



Soda Pop -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 19:00:23)

@Isaiah it doesn't matter how long ago it was. If you loan some money from a bank to buy a house, you can stop paying when you've finished paying for the house, not when it's "been a long time" after you get the loan.



Laces -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 19:01:54)

I am sick and tired of you people complaining on and on about refunds and TLM being OP'ed. Its like you guys can't go a day without complaining about something being wrong in this game. You know how much work it takes to get this far in a game through hard work and then have to listen to immature children complain about something. For god's sake, nothing is perfect nor will it ever be. YOU made the decision to pay for the game, YOU made the decision to change class, YOU made the decision to spend time on this game, NOT the Devs. They simply created the game. Why don't you go and create this game with 1 or 2 more people and see how it feels. Shut your mouths and wait for the Devs to propose what they're going to do with the balance issue. The classes have been out for a week. And most of the people just copy builds and don't use their brains. You can't learn everything about a new job in one week can you? Play the game out. Seriously, whats wrong with you people. If you don't like it, don't play until its balanced or just quit.



Bunshichi -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 19:04:20)

^ That has not stopped them before o.e



Laces -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 19:06:32)

@Bunshichi, Sadly not. But it feels good to let it out.


And for those who don't know me, I used to be called Shadow on the original ED forums.



Bunshichi -> RE: Ranting about refunds (7/6/2011 19:07:23)

Yea I got scared reading it [:o]



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