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king julian -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 21:02:24)

@ angles: you always seem to be mad for some reason weather it at the dev's or what not and u put that negativity on the forums and if u hate this game so much why do u keep playing it?



edwardvulture -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 21:06:28)

And varium bribes are still out there.



Buffy A. Summers -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 22:28:10)

This Is Going To Be The Mother Of All Posts By Me.

It Will Explain The Real Reason Why Factions/Faction War/WD Are Not Important Anymore.

FIRST ~ I'm Highly Insulted That The Girls Of Buffy & The Legion Of Buffy Are Never Mentioned.

Both Of My Factions Are On The All Time World Dominations, 2vs2, 1vs1, Flag Capture Leaderboards And Currently Have 35,000+ Tokens In 2 Flag Locations.

Legion Of Buffy Won World Dom 3 Days Ago, Girls Of Buffy Won The Day After. I Run Not 1, But 2 All Time Factions And We Are Pretty Inactive Most Days, Don't Even...Try.

See, That's The Problem...Lack of Respect, Recognition. Why Should I Bother Playing All Day/Spending Money On War Kills, Going All Out For Faction Medals If No One Cares Or Notices?

I Have One Of The Highest Rated Factions All Time (Faction Score), As A 2vs2 Team No Less, And It Simply Doesn't Matter.

Another Example... Factions Like The Dixie Chicks And Superiorssss Win Medals All The Time (2vs2) And Never Even Get Mentioned Or Noticed In Threads Like These. No Respect As The Great All Time Factions They Are.

But I Digress...

I Don't Want To Make This A 2vs2 Faction vs 1vs1 Faction Thing. My Point Was...The ED Community In General, Has No Appreciation Or Respect For Great All Time Factions... So Much For Your Peers Honoring Your Accomplishments.

SECOND ~ What's Even Worse About Factions, It's Not Just The Lack Of Respect/Acknowledgment From The ED Communtiy...It's Actually The Staff/Admins/Mods Themselves.

Allow Me To Explain.

This Is The Biggest Problem In EpicDuel...That Goes Unspoken. The Game Designers Themselves Make Factions Irrelevant. Meaningless.

For Example, I Have A Noobish Faction, Level 8...And It, For All Purposes, Has The Same Rights And Features As My Level 11 Faction. There Is Something Wrong With That.

See, There Is Nothing Gained From "Leveling" Up Your Faction. Or From Winning Medals. It's Completely Pointless.

They Never Expanded On The Entire Faction Concept. An Officer With 15,000 Wins/15,000 Tokens In A Level 11 Faction Has The Same "Status" And Achievements As A 500 Win Officer In A Level 8 Faction With Little To No Medals.

So I Ask You...What's My Motivation? Why Should I Bother Trying To Win A Faction Medal? Or Staying Active If No One Cares And There Is Little To No Reward.

Over The Months, Many Players Have Made Great Suggestions To Reward All Time Factions That Have High Factions Scores, And Lots Of Medals...But NONE Of These Ideas Were Ever Used.

From Having "Special" Faction Areas For Members To "Hang"...To Having Flag Colored/Styled Skins For Armor/Bikes, Etc... To Rewarding Players With Credits, Small Varium Amounts, Or Even Sharing Weapons/Items...

Faction Only Shops, Or Faction Leaders Being Able To Place Vending Machines, Shops, NPCs...Faction Token Banks...Faction Only Achievements That Rating Increases With Faction Level, Faction Leader Awarded Achievements...

Like MVP, That Can Only Be Rewarded/Unlocked After A Player Wins/Donates 10,000 Or More, Etc...Faction vs Faction "Personal" Wars...Like Double Influenence/Xp vs Your "Faction Rival"...

There Are Tons Of Ways...The Admins Could Have Made Factions And The Faction War Better....They Never Bothered...So Why Should I?




Jatar The Legend -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 22:33:11)

I agree with the second part.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 22:33:20)

^

Precisely.



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 22:33:33)

@buffy
because people care more about 1v1 then 2v2 :/ everyone knows whos on the all time 1v1, but few people know more then 5 names on all time 2v2
double ninjaed



MrBones -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 22:45:07)

buffy..... there is not much to add after a post like this. Congratz !! and I agree 100%

Let's hope your voice will be heard.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/12/2011 23:53:23)

well 2v2 faction are being ignored as always sigh claps to all the faction leaders and members which brag about their faction this topic is going off topic imho. the topic should be change to faction discussion or something.

well 1v1 factions tend to win wd easy as they tend to get more influence than a 2v2 faction i been saying this over and over again in many different threads. i have even made a suggestion in the suggestion tread. but guess wat the devs are just plain ignoring the 2v2er in the game.IMO the devs think 2v2ers r just a bunch of loser which need partner to win.




Callisto -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 3:51:11)

I agree with Angels and Buffy on this.Cheaters get away easily like Angels said,cause devs care more about the money they get from them than making this game fair for everybody and getting rid of the cheaters.No offence to anybody,just the way it looks like to me.
Few 1vs1 factions did get disbanded cause of cheating but same thing happened in some 2vs2 factions which I won't name and nothing ever happened.Like 1vs1 is above 2vs2.
1vs1 system is fair while 2vs2 is so messed up it has nothing to do with skills anymore,all about luck and hoping you won't get lvl 28 partner with nothing but primary weapon against 2 lvls 33 with full varium gear...Everything about 2vs2 needs fixing.Influence should be doubled,lvl gap lowered,runners punished...And god knows when/if that will ever happen.
Mainly why many ignore 2vs2,it's unfair,unbalanced,all about luck and I never met one person who can honestly say he/she enjoys playing 2vs2.



MrBones -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 8:04:10)

Callisto: come play rigged 2vs2 with us.. you will see the real potential of 2vs2. Let's hope one day we will be able to host team battle.

@Luna: We do it almost everynight in legion server. It is working faily ok.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 9:31:59)

@MrBones

Rigged 2v2 kinda impossible now since server lock down.



NCBase -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 10:30:24)

Lol. Just lol. I'm Iggypayne, and I had the good sense to not play this game competitively xD Chill guys, it's a game that has many loopholes to it which will never be fixed because money IS rolling in for ED, and as long as it is, they don't give u a second glance. Go play something worth your time, instead of this.. thing. Heck, even a proper AE game is semi-decent.

Edit: I haven't even heard of these cad guys before. There has been and always will be "one month fame" guilds, primarily because it is almost impossible to mobilise most of the people who play ED.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 14:05:04)

i do agree 2 vs 2 factions should get 1/2 of their wins to score and should get double the influence.



demonred1 -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 14:11:45)

CAD are pwning right now factions lile legit will probably retire from competition.



Jatar The Legend -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 14:31:14)

@ NCBase Amen brotha.



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 15:00:37)

If I may speculate for a moment...
In the past, factions were such a big deal because there was nothing else to do. Now we have lots of other things to do. Missions, Boss Fights, Achievements, Fame, the list goes on and on. Factions now not only have not received developmental improvements recently, they also offer little to no viable rewards. Unlike the rewards connected to the other game objectives.

Adding a faction juggernaut competition, making 2v2 battles worth more influence, and attaching more achievements to the faction system would bring factions back to a position of some relevance. As far as how these achievements should be rewarded, it should be in a way that resolves the issues wisely brought up by Buffy.

"The Admins Could Have Made Factions And The Faction War Better....They Never Bothered...So Why Should I?" ~Buffy A. Summers
A quote worth remembering.




goldslayer1 -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 15:09:52)

faction should have NPCs in their base.
for example NPC from legion/exile side would be in the base (like a shadow guard)
they should have training and enhancements npcs and such.

factions should get shops with non var and var items that can be unlocked at certain lvls. (faction lvl not the wep lvl)
winning daily winning should also get more rewards (like achievements)



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 15:42:55)

Factions in regard to competing, there are various issues in regard to how the war system, flag and actual faction goals.

Our faction has not been truly competing, yet we still maintain a very special and solid team. In the past year, our faction has likely one of the least turn over. We are focused on personal achievements over team competition.

Faction system needs to have a better battle mode beyond players competing in a race format. I also feel the decline of factions is also related to this conforming to AEF standards. These forums have hurt faction introduction and faction story-lines. With no history or news, people can only rely on the deep past.

Alliance of the Loreans was my first faction, and I was not the Founder. EDF was utilized in seeing the growth of the small faction to an overachieving faction in the old faction wars. Could DSX or KOTR succeed in our current forums? Honestly, it would have been a challenge, because both factions were built on slow progression. Most people forget this now.

~JZaanu



LatinLover/Martini -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/13/2011 23:45:33)

Knights of the Round and DSX, manged to be extremely good factions when they managed to become mods, they used their new status and powers to help bend the advantage towards them. First DSX used unlimited varium to exploit the war cannons and the flags. Knights used their status to recruit members, the members joined because they thought that they could become mods.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 1:27:17)

u know whats another good faction idea?
returning the double 1 vs 1 medals
where u could get 2 medals for 1 vs 1 victory (or 2 vs 2) if ur faction had more than double the wins that second place had.
this way if ur fac is 1st place and its got like 3800+ wins
and 2nd place has only about 1500 the 1st place faction should get 2 double wins because of the extra effort.

same for WDs when both top factions for each alignment would get the WD



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 1:58:44)

Status plays important roles on who joins. Not was this only this for only DSX and KOTR, but nearly every successful faction during the Founder/Beta season. Both factions carried wonderful background and story as they both progressed. Did having Mod founders add to the novelty of those factions, indeed it did, but both factions worked very hard as well during their runs.

Right now the faction story has diminished since the closing of edf, this is a fact.

What has been lost during Gamma is the identity of the faction; factions are a community element.



LatinLover/Martini -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 2:00:30)

Factions are also a community elements for dummiers.



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 2:12:55)

It seems this thread has broken into different roads with valid reasonings within each opinion. I am only speaking of the community element being lost within the transition to AEF and nothing more. :)



LatinLover/Martini -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 2:18:12)

I can agree with you on that one



Buffy A. Summers -> RE: Remember how legit Factions were? (7/14/2011 2:19:36)

@ JZaanu Writes:

"Right now the faction story has diminished since the closing of edf, this is a fact."

I Completely Agree. Since The Close Of The Old ED Forum, Factions Have Lost Some Of Their Personality.

This Is Also Due To The Restrictive (And At Times Censoring) Nature Of This Current Forum.

In The Old Forum, Faction Leaders And Players Were More Free To Express Themselves And Their Like/Dislike Of Other Factions And Players, Especially On A Personal Level.

It Was Alot Of Fun. Faction Pride Was More Important As Was Personal Rivals And Even Alliances.

Sadly, This Element Is Missing Now To A Large Extent.



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