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poker123 -> BM and CH (8/3/2011 13:32:30)

Everybody knows tactical merc are oped right now,so instead of nerfing the class.How do you think they should buff blood mage and cyber hunter.


Please discuss.




EDTechMaster2.0 -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 13:43:05)

I would like BM's Intimidate replaced with Reflex Boost and Assimilation being put back into the skill tree.
Why? It is the ONLY class which cannot take away an opponent's energy.
For Example,
TMs have Assimilation
Mercs and TLMs have Atom Smasher
BHs and CHs have EMP Grenade

I am not experienced with the CHs so I'm not sure what to say about it.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 18:57:04)

CH's are great as i can see but their variety is so low. i see
one great build that was developed in my mind but if i mention it, a no lifer can literally destroy the game. so ill just keep it away...but, CH's seriously need a buff. all im seeing are fail str builders. -_-



Cinderella -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 19:00:46)

@bloodknight- I'm doing pretty well with a massively high tech build with a lot into plasma grenade. You have to use some strategy



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 19:06:13)

110% Agreed. As I said before buffs and and skill rescaling/revamps is the way to balance nerfing and singling out one select group of users is wrong.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 19:55:50)

@cinderella

oh, the other one i had in mind was emp. anyways, to make CH stronger, i guess u and the others made it their so we can save an attribute point. (i guess...)

a stun move is not my style, mine is depending on a move to indirectly defend me that will seriously effect the next rounds.
lol, a high tech build? talk about balance...or ur using a 5 focus tech and stun build? well, that actually sounds really powerful too...



Cinderella -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 20:55:03)

@blood- 4 focus only. I use my bot mainly for the anti-debuff ability, and rarely use the attack.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:06:28)

@cinderella
i know i might've suggested this alot but, if u wanted CH to be balanced, u COULD change the name of a CH's shadow arts to offensive shadow arts and change the effect to +10% connect for static charge. (leave stun effect too)
u could change the BH's SA name to defensive SA

@on topic
BM seems as an amazing class. reflex boost plus technician?!?! O_O
for the ppl that dont use technician with reflex is making a great mistake in ED...then DA and BL?!?! jeez...then an energy bunker?!?! the possibilities are endless! then berzerker had to come in with fireball!!! O_O well, back to CH...for the ppl that dont get the concept with CH, u need to be more defensive than u think u need to be.



voidance -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:35:18)

Super charged needs to be replaced for a more strength based tier 3 skill (blood mages only). Yes this would require the devs to design a new skill but thats all part of the job. Another thing, why doesn't blood mage have bludgeon. We have a few skills that could replace it like intimidate and overload.


Now for a little imagination, I was thinking of what would be a cool animation for a staff/strength based tier 3 skill and I came up with this. It's basically a 4 hit staff assault consisting of your char running up doing a jab, double strike, and then a bludgeon. No idea what the name could/would be but as far as the skills effect works I would assume something similar to massacre with a 20% def/res ignore.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:41:38)

@voidance

ikr!!! i was sooooo expecting BM to have bludgeon! i guess that didnt happen...instead, they got zerker....



voidance -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:45:09)

Well I'm glad we got berserker but blood mage is suppose to be the strength class and we got all of 2 strength based skills?



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:46:40)

honestly i dont think much can be said about a buff on them until say monday becuase who knows what friday holds



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/3/2011 21:49:29)

well, deadly aim is a nice compliment for BL because u will heal
more.



nico0las -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 3:06:32)

Besides tactical, BM is my fav class, and I WANT to switch, it's just that I find tact so much BETTER.
more str related moves, have reflex boost increase with str.
Give blood mage bludgeon instead of supercharge
Defense matrix over intimidate

Should work a bit better



Master Volcon -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 3:20:22)

@ Cindy

I am not trying to be mean, but I thought Epicduel Frowned upon Placing a lot of stats in one area.

I can understand its 4 focus, however a "Massive tech" build using weapons that can give insane amounts of tech (delta sword, stun blaster, cyber, tesla) & enhancements (if you have them). That completely undermines focus.

Builds are meant to be balanced. This is just another another reason to remove focus, since it does not work due to high stats and enhancements,
otherwise is epicduel not the height of hypocrisy by testing builds that they frown upon?

I am open to your interpretation of the issue, I understand I could be mistaken or see the situation wrong.



HellsCupid -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 7:00:12)

quote:

oh, the other one i had in mind was emp. - bloodknight997


If you actually were a Cyber Hunter, EMP is definitely not really the way to go, it doesn't do much help except for delaying a turn of heal from the opponent. This is the reason because many classes now have a way of regenerating EP, such as reroute or static-charge, or maybe even an energy booster. But anyways, i like how you always stay positive about EMP ;P.


Anyways apart from that, back on topic:
Cyber Hunters are actually quite a good class, except from the part that tanking is nearly impossible. This is because if we have high defenses, then our damage is low, and if we want to deal high damage, our defenses will be low. Also, BM's and TCLM's got the better of the new skills while all we got was a stun grenade which depends mostly on luck. Now don't even get me started on the passives. I mean, Shadow Arts?? Is that it! We got the passive that "Statistically" only activates one out of ten turns at "Max." Wouldn't it have been a better idea to include another passive, or at least give us a buffed version of Shadow Arts?

Well, these are my thoughts, nothing about flaming. I like the CH, i see some areas in need of improvement.



King FrostLich -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 9:38:35)

For BM's, I think resistance shield should replace technician. All the upgraded classes have technician(tactical mercenaries, cyber hunters and blood mages) so why not make BM have resistance shield. Besides, the majority of Blood mages are mostly str and low support and since resistance shield gives more resistance than technician does even at low support, it protects BM from powerful malf though they aren't as overpowered as what the bounty hunters are.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 9:47:14)

BH isnt OP...it just stayed the way it was...



dont give up -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 10:00:08)

for cyber hunter is kinda weak. even there skill is not the combination for countering build. i try the +5 focus tank and i still lose and my build was the emp malf from blood. but still thx for the idea blood. even they buff static charge is not enough because you still need alot of str i think. and the skill is bad because there not good enough i dont know why.
but my idea is to remove technician to some passive skill like blood lust because cyber hunter only have 1 passive or remove the skill and put enrgy hybrid armor you cant change it to phy . [;)]
o i forgot i have a new build im going to try which is str build is good i think.[:)]
wow i just think of a build that work well guest im sry for calling ch is weak and bad skill. i forgot one thing that i need to do which is ''think what you can do, not what you cant''[8|]
omg cyber hunter is not that bad lol btw if the update come next friday will the massacre will be weak.



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 10:05:04)

@dont give up
i gave u an idea but not a perfect build...may i see ur char page or is it the same as ur forum name?



altimatum -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 10:21:09)

SA is not a reliable passive



Midnightsoul -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 11:08:21)

ok, i released my dream CH build. check it out! :D


http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=19430781&mpage=1&key=�



Yo son -> RE: BM and CH (8/7/2011 11:09:33)

who cares, buffs nerfs, after 3 weeks of this nonsense, one can only take enough.



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