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Stabilis -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:32:41)

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Dont afraid just use your brain and think some strategy , i guess the only strategy you have robot-robot-aux-heal-robot-robot-aux-booster-heal ......

Now its time fore creativity dont ruin it.


Well that was rude, what build do YOU use? I chose robots because I got bored primaries, bored of secondaries, bored of auxiliaries, bored of maxed attack skills, bored of stat abuse, etc...

Maybe people seem simple and incompetent when you look at their outsides, but DON'T judge please! I see strength abuse with stun attacks and I won't diss them because its what they like and what they are special at, and I ACCEPT that! I really adore robot usage and nothing you can say will make me feel like a fool for how I play EpicDuel.



DeathGuard -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:32:56)

Just as many people depend on founder armor, they depend on gamma bot, learn to live my friends, make a new build, think a little bit because it doesn't hurts anwyas a retrain just costs 500 credits and a few minutes of training, that is about pvping not copying builds. Finally mages got what they wanted, a buff to caster skills now you will see how mages will not be anymore a ''free win'', we will get you down into the floor [:D]



MrBones -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:34:13)

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the 5 focus pro will not use the build to bot spam, but will use it to have more variety in attacks while making that it secondary form of attack.
a newb however will use robot as its primary form of attack and just bot spam for the kill.


Well I understand. Next time you see me ingame make sure to check my built as you will see i don't spam tech for bot.

But to me, spamming is spamming. Wheter you spam strength or tech or support..



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:35:42)

@Turkish Nerfing bots will NOT bring back creativty all it is doing is nerfing the players who where forced into 5 Focus because all the fun old creative builds where destroyed. All their is now is 5 Focus(Nerfed badly TWICE) and spamming builds. Oh yeah the creativty is back.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:36:02)

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Thurk lets talk about YOUR startegy shall we ?

smoke - strike - maul - double strike

Wow you are a genious and you are so creative. . i.


well it takes more strategy than that.
specially if the match goes on for a long time (usually against others with strategy)
i fought a couple of mages the other day. and one of them was chatting with me telling me how i was the only TLM to beat him for that day. and he was on the boards with like 200 wins at that time. he had a really good build and strategy.


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Well I understand. Next time you see me ingame make sure to check my built as you will see i don't spam tech for bot.

But to me, spamming is spamming. Wheter you spam strength or tech or support..

well there are so many stats the eventually u have to spam something.



altimatum -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:36:48)

this'll be back to beta...when no one used bot builds [&:] can't wait



DeathGuard -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:36:57)

Guys they're many other builds that are effective but just need strategy, are you so lazy to think a bit? Come on, move on anyways it was kind of oped, its power damage, this will bring more balance and more challenge into the game.



bobbyhonkers -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:37:32)

I like how they let people complain their heads
Off during gamma when the bots could e bought
With $ but when the promo is over it's time to nerf



goldslayer1 -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:39:43)

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What??? i never use copy builds , i changed TLM in the first day than Goldslayer1 (if you want ask him) persuade me that str build work good with TLM then i did my own str build , when no one was useing str TLM i was useing it ;P

yes thats right, i had a str build withing the first few minutes of the update
and NO ONE that i seen during that hour had a str TLM build at that time.
and i did tell turk that str tac merc was pretty good
so he made his own build.

and in all honesty, those who are the ones copying builds, are the ones getting 85%-90%. while the real ones who made the builds are capable of much higher % (like me, i gotten real high % with str tac merc thanks to strategy)



MrBones -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:40:22)

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I like how they let people complain their heads
Off during gamma when the bots could e bought
With $ but when the promo is over it's time to nerf

That was a part of my point BobbyHonkers. Thank you for noticing it.


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yes thats right, i had a str build withing the first few minutes of the update
and NO ONE that i seen during that hour had a str TLM build at that time.
and i did tell turk that str tac merc was pretty good
so he made his own build


Who cares who started the TLM strength builts. What is the point of the argument anyway ? Let it go, you sound like a child.



Stabilis -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:43:43)

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Guys they're many other builds that are effective but just need strategy, are you so lazy to think a bit? Come on, move on anyways it was kind of oped, its power damage, this will bring more balance and more challenge into the game.


Yes there are dozens of builds! Robots aren't overpowered they have simply been given too much damage, and that COULD use a nerf. Our mainline attack is now slow and we have to wait 4 turns to attack again with our best attack. Secondly, robots aren't skills they are wepons and that means they can be affected by blocks/defelctions. We retrain to make our robots good and players such as yourself have stated that we should stop using our build and use yours or complain that we win too many battles.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:44:51)

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Who cares who started the TLM strength builts. What is the point of the argument anyway ? Let it go, you sound like a child.

well people are saying we're copying other people's builds.
when we aren't, just trying to clear our name ;)



goldslayer1 -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:46:52)

IMO i dont think that robots should be nerfed like that.
however nerfing the damage it had was a better option.
u know the damage the robot gives? (10-14 for assault bot, and 11-15 for gamma bot as extra damage)
if they removed that extra damage from robots, it would have been pretty much the same
altho this robot nerf works too.



Stabilis -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:47:25)

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well people are saying we're copying other people's builds.
when we aren't, just trying to clear our name ;)


Let it be heard to everyone who will complain that someone else's build is dangerous to their own:

"Adjust to your weakness or waste time and be killed"



TurkishIncubus -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:47:33)

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Thurk lets talk about YOUR startegy shall we ?

smoke - strike - maul - double strike

Wow you are a genious and you are so creative. . i.


Just because i was using str build doesnt mean i will continue to use after this update , the thing is 5 focus was blocking all other builds different than 5 focus -str -support. Now there will be more variations.

Also dont forget Shadow Arts is become useless skill now , without 5 focus Shadow arts with 42 supp req is completely useless (like all players wanted)



redxtra -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:48:09)

*looks at my assault bot and pets it* my bot is still useful focus build with a bot doin more damage with malf . yayz CH



DeathGuard -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:48:21)

Sorry to say green but I never said to use my build neither I said you won many battles, re-read my post again and see that I said that you must retrain to find your own build and that the gamma bot's power damage was op. Anyways the user of 5 focus builds most of them are bored of it, let me ask you soemthing, Aren't you bored of using that build and same strategy?



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:48:32)

@Cyber Your right their are dozen of builds. Like STR builds,tank builds,tech tank builds,STR DEX builds,SUP mage builds,SUP Merc builds and countless others. But yeah they ar all UNoriginal and all NON CREATIVE yes 5 Focus is not creative but creativty is gone. So since it is gone all we have is eitheir 5 focus or spam builds and now 5 focus is nearly destroyed.



Ubear -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:49:31)

Fighting over whos strategy is the best? Wow stop whining I've never seen anything like it. Each build has its ups and can win where another one can't.

When did robot get nerfed anyway?

nevermind just read the new DNs



Callisto -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:54:22)

I for once hate this nerf.I am a tech mage and I do use 5 focus cause that is the only way I could survive against str builds and insane supp multi build.And now they do this?
There is no logic in it,nor need for it.It just limits us even more and makes our robots pretty much useless.
Gamma bot is blockable,they nerfed it's damage once and now this?I just simply don't understand why...



Stabilis -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 14:55:43)

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When did robot get nerfed anyway?


Just today~

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Sorry to say green but I never said to use my build neither I said you won many battles, re-read my post again and see that I said that you must retrain to find your own build and that the gamma bot's power damage was op. Anyways the user of 5 focus builds most of them are bored of it, let me ask you soemthing, Aren't you bored of using that build and same strategy?


I know and that's what you are poking at. You said, "that the gamma bot's power damage was op." meaning that we had too much of an advantage and I respect your opinion and all but the nerf means that if you want to use the robot to attack then you will have to wait many turns before any of your 'real' attacks become realistic.

And no, I am not bored of it. I loved my digital robot like family, we went through hundreds of battles together successfully and the way he was blocked on occasion was very lucky and it put me on edge when that meant we were going to lose.



DeathGuard -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 15:00:04)

@Green: So it was nerf with cooldown? Just like the nerf with agility and heal cooldown? I feel your pain now, since I use heal looping build to beat many bosses [&:]



Drakadh -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 15:05:58)

This nerf is not a big deal, it just makes a player choose wiser.



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 15:06:36)

Sadly, the way the game matured, 5 focus was the only balanced build. Since now, both bots are now single use bots, they must be selectively used. For Tech Mages, there were only two useful builds at high levels, one is 5 focus variant, and support. The Plasma Rain will be interesting, so us Tech mages will be the balance team this week to test this adjustment.

The only Tact build that might be adjusted is the Poison/ 5 focus tank. But that class has so many options, so most will join the Strength or likely Support variant builds.


The only thing that does sadden me, with the introduction of these new classes, balance will be the focus on the game over true features.







Stabilis -> RE: Robot Nerf Discussion Thread (8/3/2011 15:09:38)

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@Green: So it was nerf with cooldown? Just like the nerf with agility and heal cooldown? I feel your pain now, since I use heal looping build to beat many bosses


Differences:

Robots are weapons with cooldowns and can be blocked

Agility is a passive status (imo, the agility nerf is a confusing topic for me to worry about)

Field Medic is a skill and it uses energy


BINGO, I would be ok if robots required energy to use!



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