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TurkishIncubus -> Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/7/2011 12:43:55)

I think the title in main site should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" because when you say "Epic Duel PvP Online Battles" ppl think that they will use some strategy but this game is 100% luck , every single battle is luck.

If i do the most spastic build in game im pretty sure that i will win few full varium pro players with help of crit - deflect - block and stun.Today i lost 5 battles just because stun gun stuned me with 5% :S.Also funny dex ppl (like between 0-30 dex) keeps blocking me i got 48 more dex than them but we do same amount of block or maybe they do more :/ but the main problem is i see 80% of the battles always have +1-2 luck factors and the 20% part is the 2 turn battles .

And ppl can think im unlucky because i use str abuse build but im not telling these just using 1 build i tried almost every popular builds of BH-TM-TLM than i find this game is too luck based

I will not say much things about luck , i want you to tell me what you think about it.For helping you i will write some questions below.
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1)Do you think this game is luck based? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)

2)Do you happy with this luck system? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Luck / Strategy (if you want you can explain)

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)



Question to MODs : Why we cant do poll threads in AE forums ?



Ubear -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:48:21)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Blocking, deflection and critical hits have a big impact on the game, but you can higher your defense and resistance to come past this. It's only luck based if you have a build that is based that way. People get lucky for a reason, they have the right stats to and some people need to get lucky with the strategy they use; like I do against tec mercs, I raise DEX as much as possible and hope I block. I should then block more it's not sheer "luck"

2)Do you happy with this luck system? Trick question. I don't think there is a "luck" system exactly, it all depends on your stats as said above.

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Depends on the situation, some builds are better than others.

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yeah obviously, I wouldn't be able to beat a level 33 tactical merc by just striking

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? no

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? no



Sinnedtragedy98 -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:50:13)

It's your fault. You're a str spammer, Str spammers shouldn't really care about luck should they? They shouldn't get crits, blocks, OR deflects. And you know why? Because you spammed strength. Boohoo.

On the other hand, there are times when luck gets out of control. I'm really tired of it too, bro.
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TurkishIncubus -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:51:01)

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And ppl can think im unlucky because i use str abuse build but im not telling these just using 1 build i tried almost every popular builds of BH-TM-TLM than i find this game is too luck based



Sinnedtragedy98 -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:51:56)

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Message got edited... I just re-read it over.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:56:38)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) Yes

2)Do you happy with this luck system? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) Sort of

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Luck / Strategy (if you want you can explain) Luck

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) No

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) Do you want them to lose players? Lol.



PumKing -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 12:56:41)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Yes

2)Do you happy with this luck system? No

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Luck---sure you may face a good oponent every once in awhile, and you guys are pretty close through the whole battle, but when I comes to wins, it is luck that you will face a bad opponents--i.e. an opponent who is a lower lvl (talking mainly 2v2 here where it is common place for there to be 3 full lvl 33 vars and 2 being of a merc or TLM persuasion and then having a por TM or BH paired off with a lvl 28 non-var with newb-tastic build)

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes---but like you said, only when thew game doesn't screw us over by letting someone with 30+ less dex than us block more or at same lvl as us, same with having less support and deflecting more, then they come in with a massive rage/crit strike that should be blockable

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes---change it so that the porbability of something occuring can go below 4%, let it go all the way down to 0% so then when chances go into the negatives of a chance, they would instad default to 0% and not happen, instead of not-unhappening, if you understand what I mean.

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? No---names have power, and if the name were changed to that, then it would take an even firmer root into this game than it has already



aqwshadowking14 -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 13:01:01)

Too much questions. .-. Well luck is too big, it's usually a game changer which what it's NOT suppose to be. I think luck should be on it's own factor that can not be increased by anything. Stun causes too much trouble, either make it a 100% costing a lot more mp or don't have it at all.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 13:02:06)

@Sinnedtragedy98

Also like you said i dont care luck/lose much when im playing , i just care builds kill speed , im saying these because it makes the game boring , you can use a perfect strategy and your oponent can have 1 hp , than WTF he uses his stun gun(the magic happen in here) and do crit stun with 5% chance XD(sarcasm laugh) , than he uses another move and kill you.

I dont see any fun thing in here (if ppl thinks its fun than im wrong about ED , thats why im asking questions to learn ppls thought) and this thing almost happen in 80% of the battles , its realy a " ? " that who will win the match (regardless the strategy)



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 14:20:10)

Luck doesn't exist in game engines.

also crits, blocks and deflects are all stat based, therefore its possible to never crit in a fight, or crit every hit in every fight.
skill plays a part in making sure you get more wins than losses, but the "luck" element spices it up, and gives weaker players a chance.



edwardvulture -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 14:53:57)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Yes (if you want you can explain)
Just look at the arcade and the imbalance there. Just a small example.
2)Do Are you happy with this luck system? No (if you want you can explain)
Support noobs should get a deflection once in a while, but twice in a roll is infuriating.
3)Which one decides the winner Luck or Strategy? Neither (if you want you can explain)
Its varium, if this game is less luck based, then the varium gap has to be lessened, by at least 20 stats.
4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes (if you want you can explain)
Yeah it puts me on top of noobs
5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes (if you want you can explain)

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? No (if you want you can explain) That sounds like a gampling game.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles [poll] (8/7/2011 14:58:44)

^ Like i said im not english or american , atleast ppl can understand me XD



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/7/2011 16:38:33)

1) Is the game luck based? Not luck based, but its a major factor.
2) Do you happy with the luck system? I am not do happy with the luck system.
3) What decides a battle, luck or strategy? In a varium-equal condition, I would say fifty-fifty. Among usable builds, there aren't a lot of tough battle decisions.
4) Do you think strategy has real importance in the game? Yes.
5) Do you think Dev's should reduce the luck factor? Blocking should be 1% minimum (0% with an accuracy increasing item) 50% (60% with SA) maximum, Critical hits should be 1% minimum 8% maximum, Deflection should be 1% minimum 25% maximum, Initial turn should be 70% in your favor with full support advantage and 30% in your disfavor at full support disadvantage. This way the main asset of support builds is reliably going first, not ignoring defenses over and over.



MrBones -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/7/2011 17:05:49)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Well yes and no. The luck factor is a bit off of course but I feel it is helping the lower non-varium levels win a couple fights.

2)Are you happy with this luck system? NO, Although it helps what I mentioned above, when two level cap full varium players meets, it almost always ended up in an embarrasing win or an unfair lost, depending on wich side you are on.

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Again, luck helps poor builts and strategy. The main problem is fights between pros.

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Sure it does but I think (this is only my opinion) they dimed it down to reach a younger audience.

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Humm, yes of course if I think of only myself and being selffish. For youg kids, non-variums or lower levels, it helps them a bit.

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? NO Relax Thurkish.



Sparticus -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/7/2011 20:31:22)

Luck favors the prepared mind. That's a famous quote and if you don't know by who use Google and read up.


As far as ED is concerned, your build type and the build type of the opponent have more to do with who wins then luck. The only time luck is the "only" determining factor in a battle is when you meet your twin in a fight. I guess that happens often enough with all the build copying these days but otherwise luck is the excuse players use when they have a poorly thought out build or strategy. "Guess it was all just bad luck" right?



endtime -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 1:12:12)

1)Are you think this game is luck based? Yes
It definitely has a strong presence. A purely strategic game would be chess.

2)Are you happy with this luck system? Somewhat
Although often frustrating, it keeps the game dynamic.

3)Which one decides the winner Luck or Strategy? Both
A better build will lead to more wins in the long run regardless of isolated events of poor luck. However, when two meta builds face off, luck becomes a huge factor that often overshadows move decisions.

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes
If you have a build that involves Max Plasma Rain and Max Overload while using a sword, then winning will be extremely difficult regardless of your luck. A well thought out build will lead to more wins in the long run.

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes
The base of luck-based events should be dropped to 0%. Being blocked by someone with 50+ less dexterity is ridiculous.

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? No
I don't think new players are as concerned about a few losses as veteran players. Plus it is a terrible slogan.


The key here is: in the long run. If you truly have a superior build and decide on better moves in-battle, then you will pick up more wins than someone with a worse build in the long run, regardless of luck--because those with worse builds are also affected by negative luck.



Sipping Cider -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 10:53:22)

1)Do you think this game is luck based? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) I think luck is a huge factor, but not based on it. While damage can be changed by luck (crtis, deflections, blocks, damage ranges, ect...) it is still within a range determined by your build and strategy.

2)Do you happy with this luck system? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) For now, I am happy with this luck system since it adds more strategy to the game. However, I would like to see this game become completely strategy based while still having as much dynamic as it does now.

3)Which one decide the winner Luck or Strategy? Luck / Strategy (if you want you can explain) Both. If you have better strategy then you win (90% of time) but if you have equal strategy than luck decides winner.

4)Do you think Strategy has a real importance in this game? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) Yes, up to a point. However, there are good builds out there that do not require much strategy and anyone can copy it.

5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) I think they should but only when it is safe to do it. Meaning, when balance is taken care of and they come up with something to replace support and buff dexterity.

6)Do you think ED's title should change to "Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles" to warn new players ? Yes / No (if you want you can explain) Nah, this game is still mainly strategy.



Remorse -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 11:02:30)

As well as lucks % of frquency.

They also need to drop lucks power.
eg. 75% armour ignoring crit is way!!! too high!

I think crits she be lowered to ranges standard and not give the player ANY rage for that attack.
Their is nothing worse then a player criiting you then reliseing that the got a massive amount of rage for that crit and rage kill you the next shot....

If they get a crit the should get NO rage for that attack.

Also being deflected and blocked should give the player more rage then it curetnly does ATM.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 14:01:38)

the game would be way better if v had no..




"no blocks , no crics. , no deflects "

i can win wid 2 ..30lvls (without any luck factor). (jugger ) piece of cake[8D] , but lose wid 28lvl n 29lvl coz of silly cric..manily..[>:]



rej -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 14:17:58)

1. yes
2. yes
3. usualy luck, but strategy does play a decent role.
4. yes
5. yes
6. no (it would sound kind've redicilous, and it might even drive would-be players away.)



8x -> RE: Epic Duel - Luck Based PvP Online Battles (8/8/2011 14:22:26)

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5)Do you think Devs should reduce the Luck factor? Yes / No (if you want you can explain)

Yes! Blocks and deflects should be rare and crits super rare! Nowdays I get 1 crit per 2 battles...



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