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goldslayer1 -> Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 4:16:28)

Account sharing, its a delicate topic. however i feel i should put my opinion on it and discuss it.
account sharing in ED is against the rules, and i can completely agree with that.
however i cant agree with the way u check to see if they were account sharing.
there are alot of things that apparently the ED team isn't taking into consideration when checking for account sharing. wifis, work, school, friends house.
these are places where people go.
if a player went and played at home then played at school later that doesn't mean he account shared just because it pops up with different IP adresses. when a man works and plays ED from work and then at home that isn't account sharing just because its a different IP.
the same goes for a friend going to his friends house to play ED in real life.

now recently some issues came up with Control Alt Death. 3 members were banned
Vix was banned ingame because they said he account shared with double trouble. and let me tell u, double trouble is not his alt. vix hardly keeps his win requirement in CAD why would he try to do it with 2 accounts? so a friend cant go to his friends house to play ED anymore?
so double trouble and vix were both banned at the same time.
another case is alleys Alpha Male who was banned for account sharing because it pops up with 2 different IPs.
alley alpha male has a job so he plays from home and from his work place. his work computer has a different IP adress than the one from his house.

the other part is WIFI. anyone can come near ur house and use ur open WIFI and log into ED and then its considered account sharing.

things like account sharing should be look over a little closer. u never know whats the siatuation of the person behind the screen. and having the same IP number should not be the only "evidence" that justifies a bann. because it isn't enough. like i said anything can happen like the above situations.

now after reading all this do u honestly think that having the same IP should justify if someone is account sharing or not?
thank u for taking ur time to read this.



voidance -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 4:30:04)

No because me and Never Back Down live in the same household share the same wifi Internet but have 2 different computers. If I were to get banned for having the same Ip as him I would seriously consider suing them because of the money me and him both have put into this game. They don't take the necessary time to actual look into a account sharing assumption and ruin peoples day just because they want to be lazy and jump on the first sign of account sharing they run into.


Another thing, you would think with VIX being a Founder and being on the all time leaderboards they would have looked into it a bit more just off the fact he was/is a very active player.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 4:33:28)

@voidance

quote:

Another thing, you would think with VIX being a Founder and being on the all time leaderboards they would have looked into it a bit more just off the fact he was/is a very active player.

agreed. and it wasn't NW that banned him. it was someone else.



VIX -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 4:55:36)

My account got banned for something wrong, I got banned cuz mods \ admins though that " D0uble Tr0uble " is my alt , but it's not my alt , the person who is "D0uble Tr0uble" it's my neighbour and it's his own account.

My Neighbour sometimes plays Epicduel at my house and sometimes i play ED at his house and i'm sure this thing it's allowed cuz Nightwraith told me it's allowed to play at your friends houses and networks and i will prove this to you guys that's an email from Nightwraith ,



quote:

VIX,

You can play your character on machines that don't belong to you or on
other networks (friends house, net cafe, etc). The danger is letting
anyone else log into your account for any reason. It can also be risky
if you log on with other people around and and leave for a second to get
a snack. So, as a general rule, make sure if you're logging in with
another computer or on another network that you're present the entire
time your character is logged in. You also run the risk of someone
getting your password with a key logger that could possibly be on your
friend's computer or another foreign machine. Use common sense and a
bit of caution and your account should be fine.

Thanks,

--
Nightwraith
Lead Artist, EpicDuel
Artix Entertainment, LLC.



that's what Nightwraith told me exactly,^

I'm sad to see my self banned for this , cuz i swear to god it's unfair banned and i'm very sure that i didn't did anything agains't rules .
how i'm gonna start hating ED , that's how !, getting banned for something i'm not doing it.

If playing at friends houses \ Networks will get people banned why it's allowed ?? we're supposed to have fun in ED and talk and play ED in networks and with friends not alone.
but idk what to say , i hope Nightwraith can Check again the IP things and try to Invistigate what's happpened , cuz i swear " D0uble Tr0uble " isnt my alt.


But anyways Guys Please Stop posting Thread about me , i won't my banned get raised or anything i will be ok , i will talk to AE help team and to everyone who can help me \ believe that i'm saying the truth.


-Thanks
-VIX



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 4:58:24)

@vix
we wont talk about u then.
however i would like to discuss this so that this never happens to anyone else in ED.
learn from the past and make sure u dont do the same mistakes in the future ED.



Ice wolf X -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:10:18)

We all know you vix , you're a great person and we know that " D0uble Tr0uble " isnt your alt , hopefully Nightwraith will check your IP things again and make sure that you're Clear and we all know that D0uble Tr0uble is your Neighbour and you guys play ED together sometimes at houses and with your own laptops , We need you Vix!!!



Fay Beeee -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:29:49)

Hope this doesn't happen to me and my friends.

When I go away I use a different computer at their address and they do the same if they come to me also.

This needs to be addressed. I am not sure how?


I am sure that you all know, I am SOOOO against cheating of any sort. But I honestly believe that the guys did nothing wrong.


And on a side note : I believe in both you and double, Vix.




MirageD -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:43:58)

vix :( i'm sorry to hear you are having troubles again :(((( i don't understand the IP thing?? ppl can't play this game from different locations?....and what's wrong with having an alt anyways?....i have one....i thought that was allowed?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:50:06)

@miraged
yeah but alts aren't allowed to be in the same faction.
NW says double trouble is his alt.
vix has been busy so he dont get much wins as he use to now. and he dont have varium atm so why would he waste his time on getting wins for a second account and buy varium on it when his account needs varium and wins?
it doesn't make sense and its illogical.

plus why would he want an alt in the faction when his main can do whatever he wants.



Fay Beeee -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:51:25)

^
I believe Alts are allowed but not both on at the same time, or for you to play your alt.
But in this case, it is not an alt, just a friend/neighbour.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:52:45)

@fay bee
sadly i feel that the justice/rule system in ED is guilty until proven innocent.



Fay Beeee -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:54:19)

I think they may be
'Erring on the side of caution'



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 5:56:39)

@fay bee

caution from what tho?
u cant just bann someone because of assumption.
and honestly i think this is where they go wrong every time.
its that they dont look into it like they should, they just see same IPs and bann hammer time.
and thats what this thread is for. to tell people how it is, and hopefully have a staff be able to see it so they can adress this the right way.



Luna_moonraider -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:01:46)

@ miraged

well each internet router has its own ip address. eg a person uses the same internet router as me i cant fame the people the other person have famed bcause we share the same ip address. ed does not allow u to have your alt inside a faction. the mods use a ip tracking thingy to see if a person in the faction is using or having the same ip address. having the same ip address means the person might be sharing acc or 2 people are playing using the same router. u can be suspected of acc sharing if u have 2 files which have the same ip but it can also mean a family member or a friend is playing ed with ya at your house.
quote:


ppl can't play this game from different locations?


hmm that idk but i think its ok bcause people change their ip for fun sometimes. people also change their ip so that they can do ae extras.

back to topic

i do hope he devs do not ban people without any reason just because of a matching ip address. the devs are also known for banning people bcause they are suspected of using an alt which have the same name as them. so what make u think the devs are so perfect. who knows and lets just hope u do not get framed for crime u did not do.



MirageD -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:07:27)

^...true luna....i was banned by accident cause of someone impersonating me with a similar name and they were trying to scam ppl :(



Thylek Shran -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:15:57)

It would be better without an account sharing rule. Its mainly there for the leaderboard i guess.
(and maybe to sell more varium..)
But there never is something like justice because RL always is different. Some people can play
more than others because they are not limited by parents, school or work, or just donīt need
as much sleep as others. So I wonīt have a problem if somebody is on rank 1 in the leaderboard
because the character gets played by multiple persons. The rule cannont prevent that multiple
persons play the same character because they just have to use the same computer or IP adress.



VIX -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:19:21)

i can't understand this game anymore , i swear i can't i'm seriously sad to see this thing happenned to me and it's wrong thing, unfair banned. and i will keep saying it UNFAIR BANNED.




goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:20:37)

@thylek
thats understandable
but lets say ur in a faction where the rule of the faction is 100+ wins a day.
and u have trouble keeping that requirement with ur account.
why would u even try keep the requirement on a second account?
its like me saying" yeah i have trouble getting my 100+ wins a day on my main, but im gonna try to get another 100 on my alt"
well first of i dont see why a faction leader needs an alt in his faction to begin with. i mean he is the leader so he has total control of the faction. why would he play on an alt that is only member?



MirageD -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:23:36)

@Thylek Shran.... i strongly object to your suggestion......it's not fair for an acct that is played by many ppl to be able to achieve the same rank as one that is played by just one person....i have been a victim of that situation, and lost my rank to an acct that had multiple ppl playing it....luckly that acct finally got banned (but their ranking stayed in tact)... it took me forever to overcome the wins....(was over a yr ago)

edit:....VIX, i'm surprised you would EVER suggest that acct sharing should be ok.....that is SO NOT FAIR !!! i for one work hard on my acct (by myself) and don't think it is fair that others would achieve the same by sharing :((((((



Wind -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:38:17)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thylek Shran

It would be better without an account sharing rule. Its mainly there for the leaderboard i guess.
(and maybe to sell more varium..)
But there never is something like justice because RL always is different. Some people can play
more than others because they are not limited by parents, school or work, or just donīt need
as much sleep as others. So I wonīt have a problem if somebody is on rank 1 in the leaderboard
because the character gets played by multiple persons. The rule cannont prevent that multiple
persons play the same character because they just have to use the same computer or IP adress.


What you say is/ isn't true.

It could go both ways because yes it may seem unfair but the rules do have to be harsh. When we signed up to play ED we agreed to not break any of the Rules and anything in the ToS.
If you remember the character "Gamal" in beta he was the top 1vs1 all-time leader, but he was banned since the account was found out to have been used by other players (Around the world with DIFFERENT IP address's). This is against the rules as it's sharing accounts and Piloting which is why ED made the rule to Ban all sharing accounts.

I myself don't remeber this, but one of my alpha friends once told me that in the beginning sharing accounts in ED was allowed, but the main reason ED has made a rule to stop account sharing is to not only have stopped piloting, but to have kept accounts "safe". If you "shared" your account with your "friend" there was a very high chance that your so called "friend" changes your account information.

So thats a few things to take into consideration, even though the rules and punishments may be hard remember its to keep ED safe (from scammers hackers etc). Also yes the system the mod's use to Ban the rule breakers of Dummies and Piloting may not be the best, but remember it's very hard for a mod from "their" point of view to ban them.
What they would see is the IP address's and of course not all of them are the exact same, but if you live in the same region as another player your IP address will be almost the same. - Remember everyone makes mistake, and if your account does get banned accidentally and you think it was a mistake and that you have proof, always email the AE Helpteam and they will sort things out.

More information can be found here.



VIX -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 6:59:49)

Sry Miraged i understand Thylek Shran wrong ,i don't agree about sharing account.

I thought he was saying that playing at friends houses\ Network rules should be removed From ED Rules , but i understand him wrong my bad Sorry.

I still shocked cuz i'm banned for something i didn't ever did it, but all what i can say * UNFAIR BANNED * UNFAIR I SWEAR IT'S UNFAIR*.

I'm out of Forums till i get unbanned , Takecare everyone i love you all , Don't believe anyone who says D0uble Tr0uble is my alt i will prove it you and too Mods \ Admins that D0uble Tr0uble isn't my alt " I PROMISE " .

-Thanks
-VIX



goldslayer1 -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 7:58:10)

Account Sharing Investigation 101

when trying to see if someone account shares or not there are several ways to check. however these ways require for the mod the mod to not be lazy and hit the ban button just because the IP pops out the same. so listen up newbs for u will actually learn how to run an investigation. so listen up newbs.

1) varium purchase
A. if they are varium users u can track their purchases and addresses depending on their paying method.
B. if they purchase by credit/debit card a home address is required, so they can check home adresses thru that.
C. if they purchased by phone they can check the phone numbers, or a possible phone bill by the user
D. if its by paypal they can also check the home address aswell
E. ask both players for transaction if u think that a certain account is someone else's alt


2) chat
A. u can also check by their chat ingame if any
B. private chats
C. faction chats (only to NW and titan, because i feel that some mods may abuse this to gain knowledge of enemy factions)

3) battle
A. not sure if battles are recorded but wins are. so u can check their usual time when they get the wins to see any anomalies.
B. NPCing or not, and battle strategy.


now these are simple ways to check if someone is account sharing or not.
so mods stop being lazy and hitting that bann button, and run an investigation.

also some people have said mods cant check IPs
but one of my members (double trouble to be exact) told me on MSN that he was talking to Alley Cat and she said mods can check IPs.

of course they shouldn't have access to varium purchase history, chat or battles.


with all this said, does it look like its that hard to find out if someone account shares or not?
i asked cindy to look into a subject related to this. and hopefully some of these tips for the investigator will help them clear the name of the innocent ones.



Matgon -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 8:03:32)

quote:

My Neighbour sometimes plays Epicduel at my house and sometimes i play ED at his house and i'm sure this thing it's allowed cuz Nightwraith told me it's allowed to play at your friends houses and networks and i will prove this to you guys that's an email from Nightwraith


how is that possible the whole point of browser games is that you can play them from any computer in the world with internet access.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 8:31:20)

bannding coz ur using different IP id's now that totaly lame...... WTF!!! wat if some goes for a holiday or gets shifted to different place or country , u juzz cant bannd him...

n bannding person lyk VIX!!! thats even worse .. he played so much ED n that wat he gets for "playing and paying" sooooo much , the dev's dont even trust him ????????

wat if my sis plays in my faction n offcourse she lives wid me so she will be using the same IP addresses .... will i or she be punished for that?????




and wats wrong in having a alt in ur own faction " the person playing the alt or the original acc is all gonna be the same person"!!!!!! he/she will be wasting time in the real acc or the alt acc!! wat diff does it makes??

1000 % agreed wid Matgon!!!


"its funny even at times dev's aren't sure wat they r doing n wat they r telling !!!!


they say the game can be played in any part of the world but , when u do it , u get "banned"!!!!!!


btw when was VIX banned and how long will he remain so?? does ani1 noes?



comicalbike -> RE: Account sharing discussion (10/1/2011 9:07:20)

this is easy to sort out both accounts will have different email addresses so get help team to check



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