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AQWPlayer -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 12:12:36)

Tech Mage forva :D
@bloodknight
The really good ones must've had enhancements o.O (or weapons that really suit their build)



Midnightsoul -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 13:04:04)

@aqwplayer
i wouldnt know who'd that be. espeically since i was and still a hunter so i "naturally" dont pay attention to mages that much but i still find them really powerful. the strongest non varium BH to me is Woochi. although, i did meet a semi varium mage with only cadens cuirass as his varium item and had emperor. he WAS REALLY good and beat the living crap out of me, not really, he just went first, thats all



nico0las -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 13:06:13)

I face non-varium support mages, and it makes me want to cry.
The gap between a varium and a non varium mage is MASSIVE. Much larger than the other classes.
Varium support mages, for me, take all time best build. I can beat it, but that's because I sat down for an hour, thinking of every possible build that could kill me as a hunter, and somehow counter it.

Yes, though, you are correct. When I face a mage, I instantly put on energy shield. The mage's skill are all energy. Literally. Excluding bludgeon, and deadly aim, they are all energy skills.
I think it works well, because this is how I see it:
In the beginning of your game (lvl 1-10) Mercenary dominates.
Then, all the way to level 33, mercenary STILL dominates.
Finally, when mages and hunters actually reach level 33, they absolutely annihilate the mercenary population.
Although Bounty hunter is by far the best starting class (perhaps best class overall), being a mage is hard, but has it's rewards.
@below not even



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 13:46:16)

Isn't bounty now one of the weakest classes ? ^^



Oba -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 14:45:27)

Mage is not a weak class. If any class is to weak would that be Cyber Hunter. And no, at the beginning do mage's dominate, not merc's. Then as the level progress do merc's get more and more powerfull.



sylar67 -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 15:49:00)

as a very old mage i would say of my experience mage is the most oped class but you need a lot of strategy to use with it but the thing about calling it underpowered is 1 thing it doesnt have a fast kill build :) all mages fights take ages :)



voidance -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 15:58:28)

could be worse, we could be Cyber Hunter lol.



edwardvulture -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 16:01:40)

This is sad. Am i the only non-varium mage who can take out full variumed TLM's? Because the builds I posted in the Battle Strategy guide totally works. No class is weak if you know how to use it.



Algorithm -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 16:06:18)

Thanks for stating the obvious.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 16:45:28)

Cyber Hunters are awesome :) its blood mages I have trouble making builds for lol



AQWPlayer -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 17:32:20)

@edwardvulture
I owned a few full varium TLMs with a TM support build, but I got no chance with my new uber-sux build I made. (doesn't really suk that much lol, it's because variums are too OP)



Midnightsoul -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 19:52:23)

as a 75% varium CH with only 11 enhancements, i can take down nearly any tlm as long as i go first. blood mages are hard but its because im missing stats to beat them with a strong physical gun.



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/2/2011 20:25:08)

@Bloodknight: a physical assault bot would be amazing for cyber hunters :) Im stuck with just phys gun cause I refused to buy
physical shark aux to go with energy shark claws, they dont match lol. [bought the energy shark aux just for looks lol]



Midnightsoul -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 1:59:02)

@psibertus
have u ever been a BH with phy aux, energy gun, phy primary? its a really good offense arrangement but CH's are reversed. its ok to have ur weps arranged like that. just as long ur not all energy...



BlueKatz -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 4:50:35)

The only age build that work well in this OP madness id Support Build. Well I will wait till they Nerf Healing and see people reaction about this...
Non Varium is another hand... Non Var Mage is weak compare to other Classes Non Var version beside Non Var BH. I can't find which is weaker, Non Var Mage or Non Var BH, but I guess Non Var BH is weaker.
Mage is always a class that maintain at the balance point or lower, never higher (beside Heal Loop era)



AQWPlayer -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 19:01:52)

@BlueKatz
For non variums
In 1vs1
Mage>Merc
Mage>BH
Merc>BH
In 2vs2
Merc>Mage
Merc>BH
BH>Mage

As you can see, the mage class can only function well in 1vs1 (and NPCs, which is plain boring). However, support build are indeed the only good builds for TMs, and now that TLMs dominate both 1vs1 AND 2vs2, where are we mages supposed to go? (NPCs are not an option. This is a PvP game, not an NPC farming game)



Shao Kahn -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 19:15:38)

Tech mages can't work in 2 vs 2? I was really debating becoming one and I mainly do 2 vs 2.... Is it not possible or something?



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 19:39:49)

Its harder for a Mage to win in 2v2 but my 2v2 record as a F2P mage is 1031 or something like that and 1351 which is close enough to 50% which is your goal as a F2P so it does work



BlueKatz -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 22:06:06)

@AQWPlayer As a Non Var Mer (Alt) I can't see how Mage can be better than Mer. I have dealt with many very good Non Var Mage out there but If I fully equipped as them and at the same level I doubt I could lose, and basically I never lose to a Mage same or lower than my Level (30)

Blood Shield, epic



AQWPlayer -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 22:14:09)

@BlueKatz
As a non varium mage, I can really own non varium mercs or TLMs in 1vs1 by abusing support lolz



BlueKatz -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 22:18:06)

I would challenge you for a test but meh, leveling first
Mage' still predictable :/



AQWPlayer -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 22:25:31)

^
Even if you could predict my moves, I don't think you can do anything against my awesome equipment and assimilation :D (unless, of course, you use energy boosters)



BlueKatz -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 22:27:37)

I always save some MP for Atom Smasher :) so I might not be effected by assimilation much (unless you have super high assimilation)



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Mages are weak theory (10/3/2011 23:47:18)

Since the addition of Focus and Agility, the Mage class has slowly improved from that point to now. Though build variety is still a bit lean, there are some new build tactics I am seeing. As the game continues to mature, there will hopefully show more improvement.



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