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TankMage -> =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:16:16)

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October 18, 2011

Sorry for the Delay
Some may be wondering why this particular release is taking so long. First we push back the Friday release, then we push back again on Monday, now it's looking like we'll have to wait until Wednesday to release the new retrain along with the new Harvest content. I could use the tired excuse "because programming is HARD", which is still true, especially for right brain people like myself, but that doesn't really satisfy your frustration or anxiousness to try out new features. Instead, I will try my best to explain what it is we're doing with this newfangled retrain features and some of the complications that make this such a nasty beast.

Basically, we are rebuilding the retrain feature from the ground up. After the feature goes live, you will be able to distribute all of your skill and attribute points in one go. The system will also calculate a price based on your level, so lowbies won't have to sell all their gear just to have that extra point in Dexterity. To sweeten the deal, every time you level up, you will have an opportunity to redistribute all of your points for free.

Many seem to be unclear on the nature of this feature. Some were under the impression that we were just building a new way to retrain; keeping the old system, while the new one would become a premium "express retrain" similar to the way we can add more item types or battle modes. This revamp of the retrain/level up system is not as "simple" as a new battle mode. Battle modes are somewhat modular and share a lot of code. That allows us to have many different types of battles and makes it much easier to change one type without breaking all the others. This latest feature is not a new method for retraining, but a complete overhaul of all the existing code that handles retraining. It also affects all the systems connected with retraining, like how many stats you need to put into a skill to improve it or how quickly your damage improves as you put points into strength or what new skills you'll have if you change class. This affects all players in and out of battle and is a truly intimidating bit of game logic. Think of it as rebuilding a home from the basement up rather than adding an extra bedroom.

Large features like this are especially frustrating because they make releases nearly impossible until the feature is 100% complete. In EpicDuel, adding just about anything new to the game requires a server restart and introduces the possibility of overwriting game code on the live servers with incomplete or broken features. This becomes more and more likely as a feature is closer to completion. Now you have an absolute disaster. A much as we hate to do it, it's better to postpone a release a few days or more to insure the feature is throughout built and tested than to release a broken feature that puts everyone into retrain limbo or worse.

In spite of the delays, none of this would have been possible without Hudelf. Without him, this feature would have taken much MUCH longer to complete. He and Titan are working together wonderfully, but it's still taking some time to train our new programmer in the intricacies of EpicDuel's hundreds of thousands of lines of code.

I wrote this post because we felt you were owed an explanation, and also because some were unfairly taking their frustration out on Cinderella and our mods who were just relaying the best information we could give them at the time. This may not make you feel any better, especially if you stopped reading at the part where I mentioned another delay, but I hope it at least gave you some idea of the scope of this new feature. Believe me. We don't enjoy delays any more than you. Delays mean we have to work at home when we should be relaxing and eating dinner. They mean we have to work on the weekend instead of having fun. Worst of all, they mean we have a load of disappointed players who were devoted enough to wait for the each release so they could be the first to login. Moving forward, we'll try to do better for you in terms of accurately assessing release times and communicating our progress, because without you , there's no us. Thank you for your patience, loyalty, and understanding.

Tags: Nightwraith


Tagged. ~Ashari




IsaiahtheMage -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:22:37)

I've come back and a delay. Great.




Laces -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:23:25)

Fair enough. At least you told us the problem and your communicating. Good first step. Can't wait!




Stabilis -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:23:52)

Haters just got pwned.




Fay Beeee -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:27:46)

Thank you for letting us know. I will retrain as normal for now then :)




One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:30:35)

Communication is great now we can see just how game breaking this feature could be if it is bugged which is very game breaking




Calogero -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:30:58)

Funny how I posted the DN's a 1 min earlier yet that one gets deleted...

Oh Well, Looks like I'm going back to my place MQ GD's ;)





DeathGuard -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:34:34)

I'm quite bothered but I will be okay, wait until tomorrow? No prob, I will not go to school tomorrow[:)]




Hun Kingq -> RE: EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:36:55)

Just schedule the release for Friday and if it done early then release it.




the final hour -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:39:06)

nightwraith shod do this everytime theirs a delay he'd save his mods alot of whining all im saying




MirageD -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:49:53)

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Moving forward, we'll try to do better for you in terms of accurately assessing release times and communicating our progress, because without you , there's no us. Thank you for your patience, loyalty, and understanding.


i'm really happy about this part of the post....and ty nw for personally addressing the community :)

i for one, am excited that things seem to be looking up as far as communication and planning [:)]




PivotalDisorder -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:54:34)

@Andy123: I bet I can guess why :) you haven't been a good boy lately, why would the mods want the design notes posted by one of the forums biggest critics.

and when I say critic, in no way was I implying it was constructive criticism.

Ummm... conspiracy theory much? :P I just tagged the one that already had replies in it. Sorry if you posted first Andy! ~Ashari




the final hour -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:57:45)

psibertus - i hope your not suggesting the staff would be that unproffesional ? if he posted first this thread should of been deleted .




Stabilis -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 17:58:41)

Lol Ashari, why you latching onto Psibertus' post?! [:D]




Jatar The Legend -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:01:06)

I seem to be the only one outraged about this. I understand that it takes time to do all this crap, but it's extremely frustrating when we're told it's going to be released one day and it doesn't get released on the actual day. I'm beginning to see more and more delayed updates. You could argue that this is a quote "Large Feature" being introduced to ED, but that's no excuse for having nearly every update delayed. Please, do us a favor, and actually release the content please....

EDIT: The release absolutely has no chance for being done today? Or is there still a little bit of hope for me.....




MirageD -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:03:23)

^^
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Moving forward, we'll try to do better for you in terms of accurately assessing release times and communicating our progress, because without you , there's no us. Thank you for your patience, loyalty, and understanding.


NW noted that problem and has stated they are going to change the communication and release time estimates :)




frogbones -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:04:32)

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Haters just got pwned.


"Haters" are the reason Nightwraith posted this.

Like I said in a different thread, you'll thank us complainers later .... because we're the ones moving this game forward---not you or any of the other fanboys.





Adam in Wonderland -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:06:41)

@Jatar

You are not the only one upset by this news. I can't believe how many players are like "it's ok". This happens ALL the time! Far too often to have it be alright or acceptable.
Deadlines and release dates are given for a reason. Excuses, no matter how well explained or justified, in the end are only excuses as to why the releases are, more often than not, delayed.
This behavior is expected and accepted by the masses now which is a shame. There is no guarantee tomorrow they will release either. Their word means nothing, no matter how nicely they express it.

Simple solution, release content on time and when you say you will. I'm actually almost speechless that they continue to do this and most players continue to accept it.
I really should say alot more, but it's best that I don't. I'm very disappointed yet again and not surprised, it's getting downright shameful the way this game is run.




Jatar The Legend -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:11:47)

^Preach on brothah




MirageD -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:12:04)

i read NW's post to imply that they will communicate more often....and will re-assess their estimates on when a release will be actually ready for release....all of this is GREAT news [:)]
i think this will lead to less disappointment from the community :)




Midnightsoul -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:13:38)

im still mad too... D:<




frogbones -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:14:15)

@ MirageD

Assuming that, for once, the words are true.




DeathGuard -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:15:57)

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Like I said in a different thread, you'll thank us complainers later .... because we're the ones moving this game forward---not you or any of the other fanboys.
Didn't know you were so smart[8|]...

Also fanboys? Fanboys help pay the servers, gives good ideas for balance and features, and cheer up Devs in opposite of you who doesn't do nothing but flame and behave like idiots. Missed something? Seems not[;)]




frosty123 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:16:55)

Well then why doesnt he say he will release a release every 1.75 weeks. ought to solve the delays. Finish early, work on another project or RELAX.

Honestly i thank you for paying respects to us and accually mention the community. Now many people waste their weekends on people who complain for your work. Keep it up i know you are trying your hardest! I will still stay tuned to ED DN although i dont play ED.

Cheers!!!




Jatar The Legend -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DN October 18th, 2011 - Sorry for the delay (10/18/2011 18:17:35)

@ Cyber I think what he's saying is that fanboy's suck up to the staff thinking it's OK etc, while the people who want the game to progress complain because they're sick and tired of watching every release be pushed back 5 days at the time.




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