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One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/3/2011 20:55:25)

PD a man, well pommie, such as yourself should realize that zero tolerance does and cannot exist so saying "Without 100% certainly of every battle factor" makes you a fool for asking for zero tolerance


anyone Favorite Class is tech mage and my least favorite class is also tech mage. Why is it both simply because i have played this class so long that i have figured out the ins and out of every skill and i can tell you pretty much how every fight against a tech mage will go just by lining up the stats which really kills the fun for me. But on the other hand because i know the in and outs i can create some really zany builds which is what i love to do




zenix -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 5:55:31)

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A high win rate tells you nothing about how good a build is because it does not reflect actual skill. It only refers to how many battles you have one. Correlation is not causation.

Now if think that that Overpowered is when a build wins 95% of the time... you have no clue what they are talking about. You do not know what balance is, nor do you know how to fix it, and what the definition of significant balance terms are. A win rate does not reflect your skill nor the build you currently use. It does not reflect your build's power nor does it reflect how much money you spend on the game. It does not indicate yourself and/or your build being overpowered nor underpowered. It tells you nothing about balance logistics. It only roughly tells you how many times the RNG has worked in your favor.

Luck factors are also abroad so your every move is gambled by the RNG, making it so you do not decide how a battle goes - The RNG decides that for you. And the RNG doesn't control just luck factors - It controls your damage rolls, your defense rolls, and your opponent's attack and defense rolls as well. Even static skills are affected by the RNG Because it generates a damage based on your damage range. It even decides what people you fight, and when you fight. Without 100% certainly of every battle factor, win rates do not tell us anything about how you play or how much money you've put into the system because we can only think of what you have done rather than what you have really done unless the person confirms this. And in any which, the person will not realize what that data means.

A high population doesn't change how a class works. The skills have not changed and the stats have not changed. Only the amount of people has changed. Strategy may be different, but that does not change how a skill works with its stats and vice versa. A different application doesn't change the makeup of a build or a stat and skill.


Lets take some statements to clarify things, without simply affirming "TLM class is OP".

I played Tac Merc myself and experienced, what makes this class so strong. It all descends from the combination of 3 skills: Hybrid Armor, Smoke Screen, Reroute.

Hybrid Armor:
Assuming it is maxed and one has 42 dex, it gives 13 def. On top of dexterity. Many strength TLMs nowadays have about 70-80 dex. This gives them a solid block chance,
a solid hit chance and high def. And in case they get smoked they can use their Assault Bot or simply...

Smoke Screen:
... smoke themselves. Now also target has lowered hit+block. But the TLM still has Hybrid Armor, so they take less damage. If the BH wants to catch up, he/she has to
spend a turn on shielding or debuffing - but then again, also the TLM can debuff.
Smoke Screen btw is a vital part of the TLMs "tactics".

Reroute:
If the TLM gets EMPed in one way or another, every hit (respectively damage) taken returns Energy. This gives the TLM a good chance of turning the tide in his favor again.

There are more supplementary skills like Technician and Frenzy. But the aforementioned ones make the TLM so "fat".
Even the devs themselves (i think it was nightwraith) stated "the TLM, thats how a class should be".

The problem is not directly that the TLM is "so well balanced". The problem is, that all other classes are badly balanced - except for the vanilla merc, maybe.

Going through the skills, the simpliest solution for the TLM incident would be to replace Hybrid Armor with something more fitting. A remodded Reflex Boost (= dex boost
without the little reroute) or Def Matrix. Or maybe even an additional attack skill.
I think Hybrid Armor replacement would be the most vital rebalance that could be done to clear the sky of trouble, because upgrading 2 til 4 other classes would take tons
of time, testing and patience. Of both: the devs and the comm.




Drianx -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 6:24:50)

My fav class is bounty hunter. It is amazing how a bounty can turn the outcome of a fight, by playing with regaining health by Bloodlust and mana by Reflex Boost. I have a BH alt that I enjoy playing it a lot.




RageSoul -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 6:34:28)

So far my fave class is Bounty Hunter , because they're good in stabilizing certain builds , especially when it comes to using EMP Grenade and they are good for offensive builds , like Strength .




drinde -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 6:36:46)

Favourites: TechMage, Bounty Hunter: Both require a strategy.

Despise: Tactical Mercenaries: Just because.




DilZZZ -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 7:02:56)

Favourite - Tech Mage [:)]
Hated - Ofcourse that horrible Tactical Mercenary [:@]




axiel -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 7:45:05)

Favourite class : Tech mage :D <3 *i just turned bounty for the hell of it ;)*
and might stay bounty because there kewl ;D

Hated Class.... ........... ? None :) *tlm are over used so i rather not be one of them..*

DJ ~

hey Dilzzz *the rabid wolverine* you still play man ^_^ ?




romanu -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 8:18:39)

favorite: merc class, so what if evryone plays now the TLM clone cause it's stronger, the original version is my favorite
most hated: BH




nico0las -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 9:05:39)

Favorite: Mage, when properly used, and BH. I'm currently a cyber hunter, but I plan on switching back to mage before christmas.
Hated: Mercenary. I feel as though it takes too long to kill them, with little to no challenge.
Simply put, it takes too long to kill such a bad class, and you rarely enjoy battles against them.

I just want to point out that if a build has a 95% win rate, it means the user knows what he/she is doing. You can't deem them overpowered because you have trouble killing them.

Are Str tacts OP because you can't kill them, or because they can kill you faster?

Their combination of reroute, smokescreen, and defense matrix is perfectly rounded, and even though support mercs rarely use their smokescreen, hybrid armor and reroute are enough to keep them alive. To top it all off, the devs added a DEXTERITY requirement on hybrid armor. So now they have an incentive to raise their dex to heights rivaling even my 2v2 build.
The answer to this problem is simple: either remove reroute or hybrid armor (unless the devs want to give every class hybrid armor). It gives them an excuse to buff their other stats. With hybrid armor, for example, a TLM could buff their technology to 120 or so, without needing to worry about their defense, because that's covered. If they didn't have reroute, they would have to be smart with their skills, because they can't just use up all their mana.




Dendavex -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 11:42:09)

My fave class is TLM and Mage because I actaully understand how to use them ...
my least fave class CH AND MERC




I am Primal -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 12:05:07)

favourite class: bh ch and bloodmage

bh is so fun blood-lust being my favourite passive this class sin;t overpowered and yet still fun.
ch VERY FUN CLASS static is amazing only if it was non blockable or even passive ch requires alot of tactics which i love.
bloodmage i was the 1st 5 focus 2 sv 2 blood mage got a vid as proof :P this was before reflex was added and well it;s got very exciting skills not any boring ones like shadow arts or hybrid armour ect.


least favourite : tact merc

why it is a brainless class has 2 of the best 3 passives in the game. it;s overused . most of the rude players are this class.
and i've been this class but it's easy wins too boring for me i need an challenge.





Smackie El Frog -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 14:10:42)

Love the merc classes.

LOATHE TM. Always have, always will.




Dark Eyes Warior -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 15:13:58)

My favorite class is BH because it was my starting class and it is fun to use. I hate the Merc because almost all of the merc has the same build and also depends too much on Support.




z killer -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 15:15:18)

my favorite is mercenary and my hated is bounty hunter




Maxandstewart -> RE: favorite/ most hated class (11/4/2011 16:49:07)

Hi I am currently a Bounty Hunter and I want to become a Cyber Hunter but I dont know How.
I strongly reccomend Bonty Hunter and my most hated is Tech Mage.




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