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DeathGuard -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:33:35)

Dude, I have seen support mages use assimilation, sometimes plasma bolt, and especially bludgeon, they use like7-8 skills, and tlms/bh use jsut smokescreen, frenzy, massacre,cheap shot, lol, sure they use a lot of skills[8D] not counting the passives I must clarify



AQWPlayer -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:35:22)

@goldslayer
Did you notice that you have just admitted that mages have limited build options?
EDIT: Also, you were talking about BH/TLM, I reply to it, and then you quote me claiming you were talking about TMs?



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:36:03)

@death
u obviously never fought one with true strategy if all u saw was smoke, frenzy, cheapshot and mass.
and if u did turn into a bh/tlm u probably would be just as incompetent since thats all u know as far as using a bh/tlm skill tree.

@aqw
support mage.
focus mage.
malf caster mage tech root
malf caster mage dex root
str mage.

do they really have limited build options?



AQWPlayer -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:38:16)

@gold
Wow, trying to insult a fellow forum member by saying he'll be incompetent?
It would take about 1-2 hours for a pro to figure out a good build and strategy, which is the contrary of what you said.
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@aqw
support mage.
focus mage.
malf caster mage tech root
malf caster mage dex root
str mage.

do they really have limited build options?

Support mage: support mages can no longer heal high, and their high malfunctions can be easily countered with an assault bot, so it's basically useless now against strength builds.
Focus mage: My robot? Where's my robot? How am I supposed to use a focus build without a bot?
Caster mage: Cannot cast more than 2 times in a battle. Most probably only once because of atom smasher.
Strength mage: I have used that, and it's good when you use rage bludgeon to kill, but what happens when you go against a BH or TLM with smoke?



DeathGuard -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:39:58)

@Goldslayer1: Oh, wait sorry I don't got experience being a stat spammer as you. Are you willing to show me how to do a strength no strategic build?
Also who knows, maybe I got an alt that is a merc, and his ratio is 70-75%.
Don't understimate me, because you never know if the tlms will become trash same goes for bhs.

EDIT: Strength mages got a disadvantage, only bludgeon increases with strength, then no other stat increases with it. Also, in my experience there are way more mercs and bh than mages with robot, we use assault bot, and remember it was nerf. Robot builds have come crap, just penetrate their def/res and use a skill that stuns it, gun, aux, strike rage gone. That's how I trash my enemies.



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:44:40)

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EDIT: Also, you were talking about BH/TLM, I reply to it, and then you quote me claiming you were talking about TMs?

ok i thinkg ur getting things mixxed here
TM = tech mage
TLM = tactical merc.
i was talking about tech mage when i said their support build had little skill options to use while str Bh and str tlm had more options therefor involved more strategy if used right.

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Wow, trying to insult a fellow forum member by saying he'll be incompetent?

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and if u did turn into a bh/tlm u probably would be just as incompetent since thats all u know as far as using a bh/tlm skill tree.
i said if u turn into a bh/tlm because u asume all we use is smoke frenzy cheapshot and mass.
those who just use those skills are the ones lacking in battle compared to those who use more. (meaning they are incompetent)
and since thats all u know from using a bh or tlm skill tree, that is what u would most likely use if u turned into that class.
making u just as incompetent as those currently using only smoke frenzy cheapshot and mass.



AQWPlayer -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:51:46)

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ok i thinkg ur getting things mixxed here
TM = tech mage
TLM = tactical merc.
i was talking about tech mage when i said their support build had little skill options to use while str Bh and str tlm had more options therefor involved more strategy if used right.

Allow me to quote you on that:
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and so what if we have extra chance at block when we smoke u. ur main weapons are unblockable so why are u QQing?

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Your main weapon is primary, not unblockable.

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support mage main weapons are gun and aux.
im not talking about primary. im talking about weapons used in main strategy which is gun and aux.
really ur primary is used only for malf almost all the time.

So when did TMs acquire smoke screen?
Now I understand it. Too much NPCing and stupid adults talking around while I was posting this stuff.
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i said if u turn into a bh/tlm because u asume all we use is smoke frenzy cheapshot and mass.
those who just use those skills are the ones lacking in battle compared to those who use more. (meaning they are incompetent)
and since thats all u know from using a bh or tlm skill tree, that is what u would most likely use if u turned into that class.
making u just as incompetent as those currently using only smoke frenzy cheapshot and mass.

For this I shall re-state this:
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It would take about 1-2 hours for a pro to figure out a good build and strategy, which is the contrary of what you said.



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 11:56:42)

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Support mage: support mages can no longer heal high, and their high malfunctions can be easily countered with an assault bot, so it's basically useless now against strength builds.
Focus mage: My robot? Where's my robot? How am I supposed to use a focus build without a bot?
Caster mage: Cannot cast more than 2 times in a battle. Most probably only once because of atom smasher.
Strength mage: I have used that, and it's good when you use rage bludgeon to kill, but what happens when you go against a BH or TLM with smoke?

other support builds cant heal high either assault bolt in many cases = waste of turn. use that to ur advantage
secondly im talking full var vs full var. not non var vs full var
third, ever heard of using more energy?
and as for str mage. i use celtic cleaver which has a +7% connect chance. hardly misses.


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@Goldslayer1: Oh, wait sorry I don't got experience being a stat spammer as you. Are you willing to show me how to do a strength no strategic build?

bud, i make good builds. its how u use them that will affect ur battle.
i had people copy my builds before but none of them would come close to using it like i did. and it been proven by their %.

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Also who knows, maybe I got an alt that is a merc, and his ratio is 70-75%.
Don't understimate me, because you never know if the tlms will become trash same goes for bhs.

u mean just how people complained about heal loop then got nerfed and people regreted it and started calling mage trash?




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EDIT: Strength mages got a disadvantage, only bludgeon increases with strength, then no other stat increases with it.

ur point? mage also has deadly aim, and if u use a staff u can use assimilation.
and since field medic no longer runs on support u can use high lvl field medic and heal more hp than u would if it did ran on support.
allowing u to heal in battle while dealing damage and healing just as much as everyone else.

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Also, in my experience there are way more mercs and bh than mages with robot, we use assault bot,

even better then, mix it u get 2 in one. mix it up with malf, so u got a debuff debuffer and an attack option.

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and remember it was nerf. Robot builds have come crap, just penetrate their def/res and use a skill that stuns it, gun, aux, strike rage gone. That's how I trash my enemies.

robot builds aren't crap.
the nerf it got was fairly just. no one should sit back and rely on robot to do all the killing.



DeathGuard -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:04:16)

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u mean just how people complained about heal loop then got nerfed and people regreted it and started calling mage trash?
As you said!

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ur point? mage also has deadly aim, and if u use a staff u can use assimilation.
and since field medic no longer runs on support u can use high lvl field medic and heal more hp than u would if it did ran on support.
allowing u to heal in battle while dealing damage and healing just as much as everyone else.
I was not complaining, but saying it was not as effective as other builds. Remember deadly aim has a 42 support at max. It would be better to go for a support build, don't you think? But since it was nerfed, I prefer to stick to caster builds.



AQWPlayer -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:05:55)

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u mean just how people complained about heal loop then got nerfed and people regreted it and started calling mage trash?

It was some noobs that can't make builds losing to heal loop mages, then TMs ragequit due to the sledgehammer-to-the-knee nerf.
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ur point? mage also has deadly aim, and if u use a staff u can use assimilation.
and since field medic no longer runs on support u can use high lvl field medic and heal more hp than u would if it did ran on support.
allowing u to heal in battle while dealing damage and healing just as much as everyone else.

Deadly aim requires support, and assimilation gives more energy back to TLMs than it takes. Also, assimilate gets blocked too much due to smoke screen and insane enhancements on dex. Heal=more rage for the enemy. TLMs and BHs dont need to heal due to hybrid+frenzy and bloodlust.
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even better then, mix it u get 2 in one. mix it up with malf, so u got a debuff debuffer and an attack option.

You said yourself assault bot debuff is a waste of turn.
I gotta go now. Cya goldslayer 1 and good luck DeathGuard on the debate :)



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:08:18)

@death
who the hell uses maxx DA? -.-
with the huge str u already have minimal support requirement is enough i would suffice with just a lvl 4-5 DA with that much str. because with bludgeon being able to use with sword/staff there isn't much to worry about when it comes to physical damage on str mage.

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It would take about 1-2 hours for a pro to figure out a good build and strategy, which is the contrary of what you said.

this matters how? a pro wouldn't just use smoke cheapshot frenzy and mass. which u apparently asume str Bh and str tlm do.
for me its 20-30 minutes to make it 1-2 hours to test it.
as a matter of fact actually, the str tlm build i have right now took me about 15 minutes to make in the beginning of delta and still so far has been the best overall build for me when it comes to str tlm.
and i have made other builds however its not the same as the original one. which only took about 15 minutes to make.

and skill tree only took about a 2 minutes tops actually
the rest of the time was just stat and enhancements calibrating.

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It was some noobs that can't make builds losing to heal loop mages, then TMs ragequit due to the sledgehammer-to-the-knee nerf.

*cough* DEJAVU *COUGH*


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Deadly aim requires support, and assimilation gives more energy back to TLMs than it takes. Also, assimilate gets blocked too much due to smoke screen and insane enhancements on dex. Heal=more rage for the enemy. TLMs and BHs dont need to heal due to hybrid+frenzy and bloodlust.

78 dex isn't insane dex. i made more insane dex build than those.
and like i said DA doesn't need to be high lvl with all that str. a minimal boost is fine.
thats why its called a boost the skill is free and atleast ur giving him less energy then what u give with regular strike.

dont even compare bloodlust to frenzy, frenzy requires huge str or else its crap. bloodlust can be used with any attack not just str.

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You said yourself assault bot debuff is a waste of turn.

i said in some cases its a waste of turn.



DeathGuard -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:12:52)

@Goldslayer1: seems you haven't meet some mages that spam strength like hell, and hit 60-70 normally with their guns o.O, it hurts trust me. They malfed, gun you and then assimilate if you're about to die.
Also, most tlms and bh aren't pros, just some of them, for example GangsterZone, Rarton, Lucky Girle and many more I can name that knows that maxing out 2 skill is actually dumb, also many of the tlms max their reroute not knowing lvl 7 is enough. I laugh at them because of that



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:22:42)

@death
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seems you haven't meet some mages that spam strength like hell, and hit 60-70 normally with their guns o.O, it hurts trust me. They malfed, gun you and then assimilate if you're about to die.

i have seen str mages before, but no point in wasting points into support when u can have minimal support usage a small DA boost and still deal high damage. and ur assuming the gun is energy and then combined with malf. a physical gun i doubt it would do that much.

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Also, most tlms and bh aren't pros, just some of them, for example GangsterZone, Rarton, Lucky Girle and many more I can name that knows that maxing out 2 skill is actually dumb, also many of the tlms max their reroute not knowing lvl 7 is enough. I laugh at them because of that

gansterzone... well last time i saw him his skill tree was alright, his stats however looked like they were copied from a potatoe.
and build looked bad. (reason why he was getting 80%s most of the time. altho i been seeing him with higher % recently so maybe he smartened up)

idk about lucky girle
and as for rarton he is my prime example of a str Bh with third rate gear getting 90% back then.
(altho i seen non var str Bh get that much anyway, just not as fast)

and as far as maxing 2 skills out. i agree.
i use lvl 6 reroute and its more than enough for str tlm.
and then only reason why i use max reroute on mage is because i have points to spare on most builds anyway.

altho there are some builds that do have its advantages from using 2 maxxed out skills.



DeathGuard -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/5/2011 12:30:28)

@Gold: Let me try to post an image of the build from him,he is the founder of my faction though, he changed it also look at lb, he is on it with a good ratio
95.6. Also Lucky Girle, Fradouska(Don't remember her name so well) got some really good builds, and they fight really fair and both are nice players. In my build, I just got one maxed skill and is overload, then the second with higher skill points distributed in it is DA with 7. Maxing out skills is not my style but sometimes they work.



goldslayer1 -> RE: The Cycle of History (11/6/2011 0:55:01)

@death
u can PM it instead.



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