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PD -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 12:40:46)

Stop throwing accustations and theoreticals.

I think it's time to use the math, eh?

It's not there to sit like a schmuck.



Calogero -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 12:41:57)

for all I care they should remove Hybrid from Tact Merc, give them something else,
then Remove the dex requirement on Hybrid so that Mercs have a something special compared
to Tact merc. Might make the class appealing again...



Darkwing -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 13:36:11)

We would perfom very well, if we get other passive skill



Drianx -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 13:45:18)

It's so disgusting how much hypocrisy there exists among players. Some are acting like they have been TLM's all their lives, others are just repeating "TLMs are not OPed". 9 out of 10 lv33s and 34s that you meet in random 1v1 battle are TLMs. How the hell are you still babbling it is not OPed? Just switch to Cyber Hunters all of you hypocrites right now and then taste some TLM punishment.



Dendavex -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 14:33:25)

I dont mind easy win but not all my fights are easy
I decided to sell my desert marine because i could make really overpowered buidls with it
My tlm build now is pathetic for reals I couldn't think of anything :DD
Guys I'd love to see when TLM becomes nerf wanna know why?
Because you guys will be still complaining about some other class [:D]
face it this is true....



Laces -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 19:48:38)

First of all, TLMs are OP'd. Each class should have a weakness, TLMs have none. The boost up there tech to 25 +9 from an armor. They have hybrid that gives a +13 to their defense. They can spam a strength build and have a bunch of skills, Frenzy, Double Strike, Maul, Atom Smasher, Smokescreen. For support builds they have Artillery Strike + Reroute making them able to spam Artillery more then once. I've lost many games due to that one move being reusable. For Tank and +5 focus, all they have to do is tank up their defense, max poison grenade and you have a great build.

Second of all, to the clowns who say BH will be OP'd. You're wrong. I've destroyed more then 90% of BHs and I'm a CH. Add defense matrix, time your EMP, and they're doomed. BMs could take down BHs as well. Tech Mages could beat BHs. BHs are not as OP'd. Yes, if your a smart player, they are very strong. But thats like 5% of the community.

Third of all, Replace Hybrid with Defense Matrix like someone or the OP suggested. There you go. Problem fixed. Don't remove hybrid from normal Mercenaries, just from TLMs.

Fourth of all, I'm done.



Renzan -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 19:57:09)

@ Drianx Exactly! Get a taste of your own medicine!



Bjswimmer -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/7/2011 23:53:29)

quote:

I dont mind easy win but not all my fights are easy
I decided to sell my desert marine because i could make really overpowered buidls with it
My tlm build now is pathetic for reals I couldn't think of anything :DD
Guys I'd love to see when TLM becomes nerf wanna know why?
Because you guys will be still complaining about some other class
face it this is true....


@Dendavex:So you don't mind easy wins and basically restated what you already said?

I think the problem here is that when a class is OPed, most peopel mean that anyone with half a brain could use that class unlike Laces(who i'm actually agreeing with haha) said that
quote:

BHs are not as OP'd. Yes, if your a smart player, they are very strong. But thats like 5% of the community.
Which is a terrific thing to say because it means that the people that class switch to the OP class BECAUSE its the OP class won't prosper from it.

When you say a new class will be the OP class if they "nerf" TLMs of course a different class will pop up. One class has to be superior to all the other classes, its just the rules. The class won't be OP it'll just be superior, beatable. Unlike the TLM which has a huge advantage over the other classes.

For example

Reroute

Hybrid(think about it it takes what 3 points of dex to raise 1 point of def? 13x3 is 39 extra points to dex)

the above stated strength builds that are brutally abused.















Laces -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 0:27:16)

quote:

Laces(who i'm actually agreeing with haha)


I think we're on the same side usually but I'm just redundant lol.

And thank you BJ for stating that. Saved me the trouble of explaining it to the people who lack the understanding of comprehending the fact that TLMs are OP'd. Or they simply don't want a nerf (Angels) so they can continue getting the free wins.



Remorse -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 1:20:06)

Uh I am so sick of the people using the exuse that their will be more oped builds following TLMs

THIS IS OBVIOUS, but no class can obtian the same advatntage regardless of skill (this means low levels or strategy lacking players gian the most advantage.)
Yes some builds will seem strong but in most casses it requires someone experienced enough to pull the build off and its these same people who seem to be succseful no matter the build eg. memory
so yeh it may seem like Builds will become oped but as long as it doesnt give those without strtegy an immediate advatntage over those who use staretgy then I dont care and I wouldnt call it OPed in my books.

And whats with the accustaions of BH rising??
Im pretty sure the str BH build will fail agianst a TLM with DM. Not to mention the likely hood of TLMs getting high dex from then on => more blocks.




Dendavex -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 12:24:04)

I'd love to see BH superior I will stay TLM forever no more time / money wasting and also in the end.. TLM will get the buff just to warn you



AQWPlayer -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 18:40:57)

@Dendavex
It might be getting a buff, but that will happen in like 2 more years. Also, if it gets buffed up again before TMs and mercs get buffed, then this game will be so screwed.



king julian -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 20:38:51)

Well then every singal TLM would be a strength TLM. Cause tanks are out and having support builds with resistance Armors would also be. Causing a massive shift to strength tactical mercenarys.

Does anybody agree with me here???????????



Stabilis -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 20:45:51)

Nobody wants to heal anymore.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 21:13:38)

This will force all TLMs into STR builds. Besides I would hate that. I would be massively nerfed and so would all other TLMs.



AQWPlayer -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 21:16:38)

@greenrain
I do. My heal adds 51 to my health pool [:D]



Calogero -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/8/2011 21:32:19)

first thing I see when coming here is Isaiah again saying Removing Hybrid from tact = killing the class

@ Green
Actualy I definatly need heal in my build... a nice lvl 7 just incase :P



Bjswimmer -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 0:52:38)

quote:

I'd love to see BH superior I will stay TLM forever no more time / money wasting and also in the end.. TLM will get the buff just to warn you


so basically "I love being the OPed class, I don't actually have to use strategy to win! i'm never going to switch from this class. But I'll defend it using little to no evidence that it isn't OPed, because then I won't be as good if it gets "nerfed" :("

nice dude, nice



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 9:51:37)

@Andy123 Because in my eyes it is true. If you remove our main defense. You can expect us all to go into STR builds. It should be easy to realize a lot of TLMs want easy wins and don't wanna be "Tactical" so they will probably go to STR builds. And no I am not one of those TLMs.



Remorse -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:29:50)

^ are u a complete nut,

Your are giving them a better defence e.e

combined with reroute Defence matrix is extremly tactical and extremly useful,

They will not be more str builds infact the oppisite the main reason why TLM went STR alot is because they didnt have high enough defeces even with hybrid which is why alot had to stack hybrid with a phiscal armour alot of the time.

With DM it would be easier to use focus builds or other builds so that is the most lamest exuse i have ever heard, how do you think BH, mages, BM, cyber hunters survive without hybrid as focus builds?? maybe its their shields.






IsaiahtheMage -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:43:51)

@Remorse No it won't. HA > DM, It will greatly nerf us. Me and every other TLM would lose 13 extra passive defence. Without Hybrid Armor we would no longer be any form of a Merc. And we would have no defences. Forcing us into STR builds. We need our Hybrid and Reroute. Hybrid gives us defence. And since our main attacks are greatly energy consuming (Posion Grenade, SS, Maul and others). We need Reroute. A TLM without energy is a dead one. Same with a TLM without Hybrid. The other classes survive because their skill trees where never designed around Hybrid Armor. Ours was since we are a evovled Merc.



I am Primal -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:50:31)

your all lazy players and want everything easy. thats why your players are tactical mercs removing hybrid isn't the answer. removing reroute is.



Remorse -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:50:39)

^um no you dont need you hybrid armour......

Sure hybrid armour is always on, but defence matrix on average is double its strength not to mention would svae you around 7-9 skill points, points which TLMs lack to do what they always want to do.

HOW CAN YOU SAY IT will "greatly nerf us" when you have more enrgy giving reroute, more skill points to spend which would be "greatly needed" also you will have a great counter for smoke/ high str builds whic would stop the uprising of siad str builds in the first place.

Just think fo a sec of all the extra skill you can have with 7-9 more skill points and just think of how effective it would be in bursts.

The only thing that may change is YOU MIGHT HAVE TO STOP GETTING LAZY DAM WINS ALL THE TIME!



I am Primal -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:56:44)

remorse reroute is the problem not hybrid str isn't a problem if they don't have reroute. neither is tank. because they got reroute
it makes energy taker moves useless.



Algorithm -> RE: How would TLMs perform without hybrid armor? (11/9/2011 11:59:11)

Reroute + Atom Smasher while mages have Reroute + Assimilate...



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