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Khannibal -> Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 13:59:54)

From what I can gather, soon SmokeScreen will require support instead of Tech, I may be mistaken, it may be both, however...

With TLM's and BH's now needing support for a skill that lowers the blocking and hitting of an opponent, and the insane abuse of support by TLM's in 2v2, are we setting ourselves up for something terrible?

At the moment CH's can lower tech, which literally has no use against a TLM other than increasing our damage and lowering their SmokeScreen. Now it'll have even less of a use against strength abuse builds, with more support they'll be able to Crit, Deflect, Stun and have a chance of going first.

So, is this a blessing in disguise for the perfect Strength abuse class?

Discuss.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 14:06:02)

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From what I can gather, soon SmokeScreen will require support instead of Tech, I may be mistaken, it may be both, however...

no it rises up with tech but it requires a certain amount of support so u can use it


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With TLM's and BH's now needing support for a skill that lowers the blocking and hitting of an opponent, and the insane abuse of support by TLM's in 2v2, are we setting ourselves up for something terrible?

i seen tlms slowly fall today. and BH rise
currently my BH is 375+ wins at 96%

if i get 96% now with all the tlms around. imagine how much ill get when the tlms get their skill tree re do

all this support requirement does for BH is allow them to use a high massacre along with Shadow arts


also from my expirience i been going first alot as a BH with the new support requirement



Dax -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 14:33:37)

I don't really buy into the "blessing in disguise" concept. If having more points in a certain stat really were beneficial to the class, surely the more experimental, driven players would already have changed their builds to incorporate that stat more extensively. So while I will certainly admit that training any stat to a greater degree will obviously have benefits(in this case more liberty to utilize higher levels of massacre and shadow arts) it also has probably greater drawbacks to bounty hunters in the form of lower damage and a greater chance to be blocked.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 14:40:55)

@dax
actually i made a build that uses the support needed for smoke and mass while keeping the dex higher than ur usual str BH back then. aswell as str.
right now im using it and its 96.4% with 400+ wins today
seems pretty good and only troubles i have are dex tank BH (146 total, not counting reflex) and focus tank tlms with 91+ dex and semi heal loop. aside from that str BH is pretty solid against everything else.
(so far i only lost one match to str BH who went first. the come backs from going second with str Bh is alot different than before.)
u can jump to me ingame if u want to see the build



Dax -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 14:52:03)

I'm fairly sure I have a similar build trained. However I think you're perhaps missing my point. Wouldn't the build you're currently using be possible before the requirements on smokescreen? In case you're wondering I have 36 base support and enough dexterity for 26-32 defense IIRC.



johnny be good -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 15:24:05)

The new ''DISASTER'' update didn't surprise me, I knew that the Developers were gonna do something stupid like this.

I mean see, STR and SUPPORT are out of the game now.

Mage is dead!



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 15:25:50)

@Goldslayer1: you never think its kinda sad how you hop to the latest OP build/class combo ? :P
you do realise that those kinda choices do actually reflect on you as a person.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 15:29:15)

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you never think its kinda sad how you hop to the latest OP build/class combo ? :P
you do realise that those kinda choices do actually reflect on you as a person.

according to u TLM was OP.
and i already told u, im part of an active faction
means ill need good build that works for me in getting fast wins at highest % possible.

and i became str BH BEFORE the smokescreen nerf.
is tlm OP or is bh OP? make up ur mind

and my choices helped me bring my faction to victory many times before.+

u might say tlm is OP but if i do better with BH than i do in tlm, why would i stay TLM?
i noticed my luck factors go down WAY MORE since i made the change to BH.

i have a ton of builds i would like to try out and test. however i dont have the resources to do that, or get the items required.



Aere -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 15:48:22)

I wish Smokescreen increased with Support back in 2010. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD OH MY GOD



DunkThatOreo -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/12/2011 19:19:41)

Well again another fail requirement that nerfed absolutely nothing. I mean 14 support required for level 1 smoke. absolute fail



Mecha Mario -> RE: Is this Smokescreen nerf going to be a terrible idea? (11/13/2011 0:01:11)

Locking this up. Please keep all balance discussions in the Balance Discussions thread.



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