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Nexus... -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 19:40:17)

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Your right, its not that hard (I do the same thing) but this discussion is about the gap between var/non-var and suggesting that a f2p earn varium to fix their problem theoretically makes them a p2p ;)



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Laces -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 19:47:23)

@Seangchea

In a sense your right. I do surveys and get my varium from there. It is not hard. But you have to remember that many non-variums either do not have offers available to them or their parents will not allow them to do so. Thats a problem especially since most non-varium players are young and have no clue on which offers are safe and which aren't.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 21:23:01)

Frankly if you do offers or not holds no value to this conversation and saying you should do them also holds no value to this conversation so drop it.

@PD if you remove all the rares F2P's still have the nice auxs in in old fortune city. Plus every class except for the Merc set has a physical and Energy lv 32 weapon for F2P's, the mercs just have a physical one, and guns at lv 33.
So for numbers F2Ps have a full set of gear lv 32+ because if they use the and a lv 33 gun, physical or energy, and a lv 33 physical aux or you could take a lv 32 energy one which is pretty good compared to the old ways of you had to use a sword to have close to level cap gear that isnt rare



rej -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/26/2011 21:33:04)

I feel that the gap has shrunk significantly thanks to recent nerfs and the release of high level non varium armors.



Prakash 007 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 0:40:30)

well, am i the only reasonable non var MERC [:D]. i barely get 50 to 60% in 1on1 an 2on2, so i went jugger and my record finally went better. what i see is would a non var enhance with 50k creds or enhance with it, i chose to enhance it paid of better, i can usually kill an enhanced non vared tacticals and the occasional var-ed one. but hey im playing were there are no surveys so, i got no chance of varium comin. Sometimes i wish they culd bring me weps to have a 70% win in jugger, when i was in early beta, that was possible with just a gud bild, now its a distant dream...



xxomegafaustxx -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 2:10:49)

There are too many qualifiers in this thread:

quote:

There are some non variums who are FAR superior to even the best of us variums.


quote:

Some casses Non varium are extremely Uped then in other casses they can be too good! It is all determined by thier class and the class they are fighting.


Hasty generalization (fallacy of insufficient statistics, fallacy of insufficient sample, fallacy of the lonely fact, leaping to a conclusion, hasty induction, secundum quid, converse accident): basing a broad conclusion on a small sample.

quote:

I dont think someone came here and could say "i never lost to a Non Varium player". If they use strategy they can beat variums but Not using strategy(copy builds + attack spam) + Being Non varium shouldnt have a chance against varium players.


As far as I see it, strategy is meaningless in ED. 40+ stats difference from a var compared to a nonvar and basically that's a win. Nonvars literally have to mimic oped builds; wait did some Mercs change to TLM? Coincidence? I think not.

quote:

If anything the gap has gotten too small. The difference between a varium and nonvarium player is hundreds of dollars. If you can't definitely win against somebody who has paid no money, while you've paid hundreds of dollars or spent time on surveys, then this game has gotten completely ridiculous.


Incomplete comparison: where not enough information is provided to make a complete comparison. Ah, I recommend reading "Beggars in Spain" by Nancy Kress, good book if you have the time (:.

quote:

I feel that the gap has shrunk significantly thanks to recent nerfs and the release of high level non varium armors.


Nerfs affect everyone, not just vars nonvars also. I concur, ED has done a great job in introducing new highlvled nonvar armour but it's completely useless. The power of weaponry is derivative to how much you enhancements you put into it. And it costs a way too much just to fully enhance one. If you can't enhance anything, you're basically screwed making the purchase of new armour rendered useless.

What good is a weapon you can't enhance if you lack the credits? Whoops nvm, it costs like 50-60k just to enhance. Sorry your flight has been cancelled.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 10:10:13)

@omegafaust missed your posts dude really did

now time to grab some more numbers for stat work

Varium Gear i see most now is Harvest Husk, there is no gun that i see alot of it varies for to much so im going to use one of the lv 33 guns from Old Fortune City, One of the serpent zookas(Energy or Physical i see alot of), and the most common primary i see is the Spectral or Harvest gear which both have the same number of modifiers.

Now if you add all of these up you get +108 stat modifiers and +9 Def/Res

Now if you do this for F2P's you get The lv 31 armor, the TLAPD swords(one less stat modifier then Caden's wraith which is what i used in my last test but it is usable by all classes), The old fortune city F2P guns, and the Hunter Cannon you get +90 and +7 Def/Res

So that is an extra 36 levels for Varium users(27 from stat modifiers alone and one level for each def/res point)
And that is an extra 29.5 levels for F2P's (22.5 from modifiers and one level for each def/res point)


Note this is with all gear full enhanced which is not a very accurate representation of the community so here is a more accurate one.

36 levels for Variums as they tend to be fully enhanced(most bang for your buck)
25 levels for F2P's(One Enhancement on each piece of gear would not be a far stretch for a F2P)

So the Average Varium user has only 11 levels on a F2P as opposed to the 14-15 levels they had on the average F2P when the first Gap topic was made. I call that a step in the right direction



rej -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 10:51:45)

^why not one of the eggzookas? they are (or were) by far the most common Zookas.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 11:20:30)

Rej i go by what i see and i see more Serpentzookas then Eggzookas



Gepard Acht -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 11:30:03)

^most people went with serpent blaster since most strength builds use a physical primary but i do see more energy eggzooka then serpent striker



od -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 12:22:59)

quote:

Now if you do this for F2P's you get The lv 31 armor, the TLAPD swords(one less stat modifier then Caden's wraith which is what i used in my last test but it is usable by all classes), The old fortune city F2P guns, and the Hunter Cannon you get +96 and +7 Def/Res

Armor=12
Primry=24
Siderm=16
Aux=15 So intotal 67 stat mods. 67 doesnt = 96 am I missing something



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: The Gap3.0 (11/27/2011 12:35:49)

Od i added in all the enhancements first round

so it is
Armor=19
Primary=30
Gun=21
Aux=20
Total=90

Whoops i guess i made a mistake in my head somewhere let me fix this but that makes both of us wrong so whatever



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