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Wootz -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:07:33)

Alright, sorry then.
It's my fault that I don't read correctly.




Wiseman -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:13:27)

@Wootz: Not entirely true, CAD got 100k battle tokens restored that they lost when they where "hacked", and they where told to donate them all into the mine tower flag (the flag they owned before the "hacking"), which they did. However because those tokens where added onto their current tokens they gained extra tokens. Keep in mind that the flag is constantly taxed, so they received all of their donated tokens even the ones that where already taxed. So basically they gained more tokens than they had before the "hacking". Nightwraith was trying to find a way to reduce the tokens in that flag back to 49k where it should have been, but I don't think he ever succeeded (probably due to the risk of harming game data).

Now since they had 100k tokens in that flag, comical took the second flag, which was understandable since he probably didn't know what Nightwraith and the mods had told Vix at the time. However after Comicals original donation Vix and the other CAD members continued to donate to that flag for months, and held it that entire time. They did not have to worry bout the mine tower flag because it had 100k tokens already in it, and they still had all of their tokens they earned before CAD was "hacked".

Basically they let the free flag drain while holding the second one with the rest of their tokens, if they only had 49k tokens in the mine tower flag it would have been far harder for them to hold both flags at the same time. Meaning they probably would not have won as many WDs as they did while they held 2 flags for so long.

Now I'm not really accusing anyone of doing anything wrong, and to be honest the Developers are just as much at fault as Vix is, because they probably could have restored just the faction page numbers and not the actual tokens. Though since restoring the faction page alone wouldn't have given CAD back their flag I doubt that would have been well received by the members. In the end that's not how it happened, and the fact of the matter is CAD did gain many WDs due to an unfair advantage. As I told Vix in PM even if he was not in full control of the situation, he should still take responsibility, because as the leader of CAD, anything that happens within his faction is in fact his responsibility.

However there's really no need to punish them for the incident, because as I stated before the problem was just as much the developers responsibility as it was Vix's.




Wootz -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:20:39)

Alright.
I apologized already.




MirageD -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:22:55)

geeze [:(] i hope this has nothing to do with your retirement wise .....you would be sorely missed.....this thread is sooooo depressing :(




Wootz -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:26:50)

Wait...He's retireing?




VIX -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:26:54)

@Wiseman : i wont' talk anymore u won't understand me , so i'm out of this thread. i've been explaining for hours to u and you still say we kept donating in the 2nd flag and it's my fault and responsibility and bla bla bla , Check my PMs again please .




Comicalbiker donated OK ?!?!!?!?!?!!? i told all cad members DO NOT donate till i talk to Nightrwaith , when i got the yes from Nightwraith we continued .

and comicalbiker donated what i'm supposed to do more then Pming Nightwraith and asking him ? you can ask all CAD members when i heard comical took the FC flag i got mad cuz i got into a trouble with Nightwraith . and then i emailed Nightwraith telling him about everything ,Wiseman just tell me you're a leader and you know everything tell me what i was supposed to do in that time ?


i'm tired of typing typing typing....

let's end this, something wrong happenned CAD flags both are gone why do we still talking about this idk .

-VIX




Wiseman -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:38:42)

@MirageD: Don't worry this wont become KotR vs CAD, there's no point in that really since our factions are not even in the same category. (They play for the competition, we play for fun)

I just wanted to bring the above matter to light, because it does involve Flags & WDs which is what this thread is about, and I felt the players should know about it since it did effect the game for awhile.

I just wanted to clear up any confusion and unknowns.




TurkishIncubus -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:38:57)

@Wiseman

NW told he cant edit the numbers in faction page thats why he gived us the donated tokens back cause few of our members told if their tokens will not given back they will leave CaD than VIX told NW if he cant edit the number than maybe he can give tokens back to players.

Also we didnt decided to get 2nd flag. comical did without knowing after he took the flag VIX asked NW that we can get another flag if we donated all 100k on MT so we keep continue donating, im not saying we didnt have an unfair advantage we did but that happened under NW's permission. So we didnt do a thing secretly.

You are the one who should understand us cause you faction was also hacked, we were in complete chaos, members were dont know what to do after NW told us that we can get 2nd flag everybody did.

I dont understand what you are trying to prove, We are Members of thsi game we can do wrong thing and we get punishment(since NW know what happened we dont get punishment), but you are MOD at this game and you guys do legally dummying(brainwash with free varium) but "to be honest the Devs are just as much at fault as well, because they" let you do legal dummying.

You right with CaD and KOTR not in same cathegory, but "they play for the competition, we play for fun" this is not true at all, CaD play for competition only for 3 days and the rest we dont care what memers do.

CaD is the only succesful faction that plays for fun and get all the 1vs1+WD, You dont know the firendship between the CaD members so you better stop talking about us.If i dont play for a month(not even 1 win, and i did before and he doesnt kick) VIX will not kick me, Isnt that playing for fun or playing for friendship.And the idea of faction daily leaderboards is for competition we do what a faction should. Dont be jealous.




Technical Time -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:44:22)

@TurkishIncubus +1




Wootz -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:46:28)

So, wait.
Are you, Wiseman, now retireing?

@Above-ish
-1




MirageD -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:48:50)

vix.....are you gonna stop these CAD ppl from wrongfully accusing wise or not????......i thought you said you would (via pm's??)




Technical Time -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:53:22)

No CAD, No Exile




ND Mallet -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:53:36)

@Turkish The last time I checked, 75 wins plus 24 hours of NPCs is nowhere near enough kills to win 1vs1 on the average day. It's not like Brainwashing is a Mod only feature, anyone with varium can use it. And if it's "legal dummying" then why are you so upset about it? It is legal after all according to you.




VIX -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 14:54:06)

@MirageD : I did but it's out of my control i'm trying, and i'm requesting a lock for this thread, i hope Lord Barrius lock it or delete it , let's end this Story that started with WD and ended in CAD .

-VIX




MirageD -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 15:08:30)

vix, ok good :) ty[:)]




goldslayer1 -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 17:51:55)

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@V.I.X Below: Nightwraith did say to donate all the tokens into that flag in order to keep you from gaining an unfair advantage of having two flags, however you took a second flag afterward. Since you had so many tokens in the mine tower flag your faction didn't have to worry bout donating to it for a long time, that left you free to focus on the second flag, in other words you still gained an unfair advantage from the tokens given to you. You where not supposed to take a second flag till all of the tokens in mine tower drained or until the developers lowered the amount to what it was supposed to be (49k I believe it was). Also I believe your faction claimed to have the token donation record, however that was due to gifted tokens so in my opinion that record is an illusion.

actually, we did what NW told us to do.
the second flag was a brand new flag at the time, and comical decided to get it by himself from his own stash of tokens (while he already donated his original amount to the mine tower flag). at that time we were extremely active and were well capable of holding 2 flags even after we donated all those tokens to mine tower.

and it wasn't our fault that we were hacked. obviously at the time someone had something against us.

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Brainwash isn't unfair to anyone, all it does is improve win % not win speed so it doesn't give an advantage.

wow it doesn't affect speed? tell me how a regular build can get 60 wins an hour with just NPCs, while it cant do it with public matches.
or how some builds are capable of a 90 win burst (regular npc for that hour +75 from brainwash)
i planed, i seen it, and i done that.

and mods who only NPC, basically get a 5 hour advantage over the regular player, and while u say its only for %
some mods can get 250 wins a day from just NPCs, because they have the hours to farm NPCs and then an added brainwash.

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Don't you think that CaD's 55 World Dominations don't screw up some other factions chance of getting the achievment?
OR Legit's 148 World Dominations?
That is 148 days of screwing up every other faction in the game.
So, in this. You are more guilty then the Moderators.

see heres ur mistake, legit got those WDs when the system for WD was actually fair and would reward 2 factions at a time (1 for top legion and 1 for top exile) while CAD had to do 55 with the new system, but u seem to be forgetting that most of the time we get WD, we averaged 3k+ wins and most of the time held 2 flags. (now only 1 since girls of buffy took the other one)

the difference is, when we were up for getting WD we took a risk that exile may loose, while some mods could just fire war kills and win it for sure.


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@Comicalbike: I understand, and I can't fault you for donating, especially since at the time you didn't really know the details of what happened with CAD.

Even if you did take the flag though, Vix could have easily told the members not to donate to it anymore afterward. You may have taken the flag, but they are the ones that held it for months, even after you had already left CAD.

we held the flag with the tokens we kept gaining on a daily basis. at the time CAD was average 3k-4k tokens. like i said, we could have held just 1 flag (and probably bumped the token count to alot higher) but because comical went for the second flag, me and vix made a decision of keeping it.


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From what I understood of the posts, CaD got 100,000 free Battle Tokens which weren't donated into the MineTower flag which was said by Nightwraith to donate to.

@woots
at the time CAD got hacked, and we lost our mine tower flag. what NW did was restore to us the tokens we donated (that were lost when hacked) and told us to donate the exact amount that we were given into mine tower flag, and we did.
we actually held the mine tower flag at over 100k tokens for over a month and a half. but we did donate the tokens. the second flag was all comicals doing who donated 50k to it. and after wards we decided to get it from tokens that we gained from wins on a daily basis.



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Now since they had 100k tokens in that flag, comical took the second flag, which was understandable since he probably didn't know what Nightwraith and the mods had told Vix at the time. However after Comicals original donation Vix and the other CAD members continued to donate to that flag for months, and held it that entire time. They did not have to worry bout the mine tower flag because it had 100k tokens already in it, and they still had all of their tokens they earned before CAD was "hacked".

we held MT flag at 100k+ for about a month and a half while holding OFC flag.

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In the end that's not how it happened, and the fact of the matter is CAD did gain many WDs due to an unfair advantage.

if the mine tower flag was at 49k and comical still donated 50k OFC, we could have still held the 2 flags from the tokens we get from daily wins at the time. yes it would have been harder, but we would have still managed.


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Don't worry this wont become KotR vs CAD, there's no point in that really since our factions are not even in the same category. (They play for the competition, we play for fun)

and this is the part i dont like, just because we are active and competitive people assume we dont have fun.
almost all of the members in the faction keep in touch with each other through our msn chat group.
we chat there every day, about anything that comes to mind. and have tons of fun in there.

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vix.....are you gonna stop these CAD ppl from wrongfully accusing wise or not????......i thought you said you would (via pm's??)
im sorry miraged this isn't completely directed at wiseman. (sorry if it may seem that way when it got off on the wrong foot)
but this war originally about the WDs, and a mod faction being involved. while others took it out of proportion.
im not saying kotr kept getting WDs (because savage keeps staying in front of them) but i find it weird how when this new war was released, exile had 2.5 million more influence total than legion, and now legion has tied up. aswell as the exile influence board being dropped to a VERY low number compared to legion which hasn't been seen in a long time.


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The last time I checked, 75 wins plus 24 hours of NPCs is nowhere near enough kills to win 1vs1 on the average day. It's not like Brainwashing is a Mod only feature, anyone with varium can use it. And if it's "legal dummying" then why are you so upset about it? It is legal after all according to you.

the regular player pays for it. and if ur just playing on average 200-300 wins daily, brainwash helps kill alot of time when doing that.
its possible to get 120 wins in an hour and 20-25 minutes. with brainwash and regular NPC, then thats not counting more hours of NPC and regular battles.




VIX -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:04:22)

GoldSlayer, Request a Delete thread right now! and Please remove what you said , enough hurt head.

-VIX




goldslayer1 -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:06:01)

Original poster requesting a thread delete.

the thread was meant to discuss WD and others took it off topic and now people are getting bashed for it.




Nexus... -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:13:33)

I am only going to comment on the Brainwash feature at this time.


Wiseman, you are absolutely incorrect. As Goldslayer stated, brainwash not only effects %percent%, but also ~time~. Time is one of the most valuable aspects to this game. If you are faster then everyone else, than you can easily gain first place on a leaderboard of your choosing, because lets face it, there are only so many hours in a day. So if you have 3 mods in your faction who are spamming brainwash (as you already admitted you are), then we have a serious problem. Why? Since you are faster (yes, most NPC's are much easier to kill then a normal player since they can't actually *think*), it means your faction has an unfair advantage against every other faction on the 1v1, and 2v2 leaderboards, along with the war (WD). This is because it takes your faction an average less amount of time (not because of skill, because of a feature) to get 1 kill, which means that at the end of the day you will have more kills than everyone else.

So while I can't speak for firing cannons, as there is no way to prove you are spamming them, you have already admitted to using brainwash regularly. We can come to the conclusion that since you do it, other moderators probably do as well, which implies that the majority of active moderators in this game are using (have used) a spammable feature to gain an unfair advantage in multiple aspects of the game.


What do you have to say about that?


Prophet
*I can give you an example if you would like, but I think you get the point.




Wiseman -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:19:00)

^ I never said I didn't use brainwash and I won't, because I do brainwash, and I'll admit I do, because it's not abuse of power and the developers allow it. When was the last time you saw KotR win a 1v1 medal? Can you prove that the mods in KotR abuse it to gain an unfair advantage? I bet you can't, because we don't, in fact we barely win any 1v1 dailies or WDs anymore, so I don't see how your argument carries any weight.

As I told Turkish, mods are allowed to brainwash, it's not considered abuse of power, it will never be considered abuse of power, and it will not change.

Your trying to prove that where abusing our powers by brainwashing, however we are allowed to brainwash because it's not considered to be abuse of power. In other words your arguing against something that isn't even considered to be wrong to begin with, something that we are within full rights to do with permission by the developers.

Have a nice day.




goldslayer1 -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:19:29)

@nexus
to add to that, NPCs attack respones is much quicker than regular players.
and the fact that u can hit the challenge button again on an NPC before ur char hits the ground after re spawning (thats how fast i can be anyways)
and ur average match being 4 turns now a days is also absurd.
my average turn count on matches against varium is 10-15 turns, sometimes even more unless they give up intentionally.
and since there are alot of variums out there, i dont think ur 4 turning all of them.


quote:

Original poster requesting a thread delete.

the thread was meant to discuss WD and others took it off topic and now people are getting bashed for it.

someone please delete to prevent more pointless flaming over something that wasn't even the original topic.




Nexus... -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:36:47)

@Wiseman

Have you ever won a 1v1 or WD? I think you have. Have you ever won a 1v1 or WD and brainwashed? Well according to your own words, you do brainwash. Would you go as far as to say that you have never brainwashed on the same day as your faction has won a 1v1 or WD, because I bet you have, and in doing so cheated someone else out of a win.


You get me?

Have a nice day ;)


Prophet




Ashari -> RE: WDs (12/22/2011 18:38:26)

This thread has quickly gone off-topic from its discussion about World Domination. I'm seeing a lot of baseless accusations being made, which have no place on the forums. If you have evidence that any in-game moderators are abusing their privileges, you can report this by contacting Cinderella, as she is head of in-game moderators.

The last page of posts have ignored Lord Barrius' warning to stay on-topic and civil. As it's quickly become an argument between factions, this thread is getting locked up.




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