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Laces -> Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:34:26)

NOTE: I'm not taking any sides. I'm simply listing the PROS and CONS and getting your feedback. (It is a discussion after all). Though it may seem like I'm on the without AE side, I'm merely refuting certain points that are debatable.

As it says, would this game be better off without AE's interference?

Here are the PROS:

The Devs visited the forums daily or several times during the week.
The old forum was much better, allowed us to express our creativity, etc.
What the hell has AE really done to help this game? Donating an artist or two for a release or two doesn't count. Besides Charfade, what have they actually done?
The community was so much more. We could post without worrying about trolls, flame wars, etc.
This game relied less on "weekly releases" to keep us entertained.


CONS:
We would have never met Charfade.
The Founder Armor idea would have never occured.
Less players <---Debatable. News of this game could have spread through current players at that time. We'll never really know.
Payment system.
Less financial stability.
Less servers.

Feel free to add to any side. This is just off the top of my head.



PD -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:42:24)

>> The Devs visited the forums daily or several times during the week.
AE isn't the causal mechanism to that. Business is.

>> The old forum was much better, allowed us to express our creativity, etc.
I was on both forums (Mr. SUP), and I found no difference in the expression of creativity and ideas. IMO this forum is better as it makes it easier to note who's actually got a smart pragmatic idea and who's just outright delusional.

>> What the hell has AE really done to help this game? Donating an artist or two for a release or two doesn't count. Besides Charfade, what have they actually done?
More Supplies, servers, a payment System that increased revenue, a super-amazing business model (in the perspective of the staff's profits) that reaps profits like no other allowing them to make more features, supply anti-hacks, donated artists, provided a better forum software, provided a medium of entrance to create a more diverse and expanded ED playerbase, and the list goes on.

>> The community was so much more. We could post without worrying about trolls, flame wars, etc.
I can assure you that this forum has much less spam and trolling than the old forums did. As a user of both forums I love this forum way more than the old forums.

No, I'm not trying to say that everything AE does is good, just trying to point out the misconceptions that AE has apparently done. Of course there's things I don't like that AE has done. But much of it is false accusation out of frustration rather than logic.



ND Mallet -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:43:02)

AE had nothing to do with the community downgrading. This is the internet, the only places you find without trolls or flamers are games that small children play and that are heavily moderated or restricted in chat options.

Without AE: No Frostbolt/Skullfire Blasters
No Charfade
Less players
Less servers
At least one bike was made by another AE staff member
No George Lowe
No Founder
Less financial stability
Less notoriety(without AQW advertising us we wouldn't have as many people playing as we do now. I've never heard of ED until AE joined with it and probably never would have if it didn't)




Laces -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:47:24)

Fair points. Fair points. But again, Less players is debatable. We won't know. The news of this game could have eventually spread. But that is debatable as well.

Less financial stability.
I agree. Good point.

Bikes are useless IMO.

No George Lowe.
Its an NPC. We could live without him.

Less notoriety is similar to Less players. Again, thats debatable.




ND Mallet -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:51:16)

Outside of AE sites I have never once seen any advertising for ED. Not once.

George Lowe is just an NPC but he's an NPC of a famous real life actor, who probably not only attracts older players to this game, but manages to be a great NPC to fight. He's almost perfect to fight. Many players use him as a test to show that they are among the best by beating him with no Frost weapon bonus damage or beat him with non varium Frost gear. He's quite easily my favorite non storyline character.



Laces -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/5/2012 23:53:14)

^Actually, I've seen several ads for ED on Facebook. And several other sites as well.



Calogero -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 0:12:29)

I actualy see the game downgrade more since Tuna left instead of AE joining but then again that might be just me



PD -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 0:15:39)

Tell us how you think the game has downgraded, Andy.

You should be able to provide reason and evidence for your statement, right?

Unless you mean nothing what you say.



endtime -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 1:02:43)

Possible Pros:
1. Reasonable prices. Gear was apparently cheaper before AE. Of course, this may be due to inflation, but looking at the z-token prices for AQ gear, AE may have had a hand in the surge in ED prices.
2. Blood in the animation. The game had blood in the animations before the founder era.
3. ED forums. I definitely preferred the liberated and independent feel these forums had as opposed to these relatively constricting forums.
4. Developers would pay more attention to individual suggestions as indicative of the conversations in the older forums. However, this was probably due to the lower amount of players.

Possible Cons :
1. Less publicity (I definitely did not hear about this game before AE) and thus less players.
2. The game was choppy and unpolished before AE. AE may have lent some help to ED in this respect.
3. Some aspects of the current game (certain NPCs, promos, etc) would have never appeared.






Hiddenblade -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 1:03:33)

never heard of epicduel before AE joined it. But i did like the old forums better with specific class forums. Also George Lowe is one of my favorite npc's to fight!

Epicduel is better with AE



I Need Hair -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 3:57:52)

I dont think so, Artix entertaiment really helped epicduel in making money that for sure and also updates help and i guess epicduel would have never gotten along without artix entertainment which is very popular all around the web. Updates and cash really helped epicduel devoloop and artix is very known so people would trust this game as its a part of famous artix entertainment.








Plz Give Me Hair!!![:@]



The Game -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 4:03:51)

quote:

1. Reasonable prices. Gear was apparently cheaper before AE. Of course, this may be due to inflation, but looking at the z-token prices for AQ gear, AE may have had a hand in the surge in ED prices.


Just to clear up another misconception, the reason AQ has higher costs for secondary-currency items is because secondary currency can be obtained in-game for free and, initially, the housing system provided absurdly high interest rates, skyrocketing sellback value. Now, if Varium is obtainable in-game in ED, I can kind of see the comparison to a small degree. In any case, cherry-picking one game out of many as a model doesn't really help the argument in question. Different games have different models that serve the varied interests of individual games.



hardcore59 -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 4:18:36)

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Was this game better off without AE?

By Far



Calogero -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 6:08:39)

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Tell us how you think the game has downgraded, Andy.


Releases are pretty much never on time anymore
We get little to no Info ( DN's )
Balance became messed up...
Lag has increased significantly
Prices are getting higher ( not gonna continue about this though )

It's a fact PD, This game, compared to when the Merge came ( that's the earliest I started playing )
got worst.
That's offcourse my opinion though

@ Hardcore

AE has increased the amount of players they allready have



xxmirxx -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 7:18:31)

Well I think ED was better off with AE but without AE we wouldn't have such large amount of players who play now not to mention mods as well. I also was one was against joining after about year and half now see why good. off topic before anyone who knows me I do not play ED anymore.



Wootz -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 8:41:20)

Not sure.
AE did set some groundrules to be worked.
Who knows?



PD -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 10:25:25)

>> Releases are pretty much never on time anymore
So? That doesn't have to do with the game's quality. ED only has 3 staff members. Don't be an entitled jerk.
We get little to no Info ( DN's )
DN's, Twitter, and IRC give you plenty of Info about ED.

Balance became messed up...
Was much worse in Pre-AE ED.

Lag has increased significantly
Not AE's fault. You need a better graphics card and more RAM, and better internet.

Prices are getting higher ( not gonna continue about this though )
Considering there's going to be a standardization of all weapon stats and that there's going to be a new enhance system, the prices are fine as they will increase the lifespan of items fifty fold at the very least.

>>It's a fact PD, This game, compared to when the Merge came ( that's the earliest I started playing )
got worst.
That's offcourse my opinion though
I've covered this issues that people think happened with AE. And it's not a fact when you've stated it's your opinion. Make up your mind.



Calogero -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 10:43:46)

@ PD

I'd read my original post another time, I never said because of AE. I said Big Tuna Leaving might have left its marks...

So? That doesn't have to do with the game's quality. ED only has 3 staff members.* Don't be an entitled jerk.
It DOES have to do with game's quality. If they can't keep up with their own schedules.
Please, the Only 3 Staff members excuse is getting rather old. If they Know they have
only 3 staff members then they shouldn't make plans they know they can't keep.

DN's, Twitter, and IRC give you plenty of Info about ED.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/Titan_EpicDuel https://twitter.com/#!/Cinderella_ED https://twitter.com/#!/Nightwraith_EpD
Check when the last update was about the release Today...

DN's:
http://epicduel.artix.com/gamedesignnotes/
Check how many Days/Weeks between anything Ingame related ( I do not count forum contests as Info about the game... )
This is how it always goes... Eather no Information at all or everything Last minute and then a small chance of it being released, higher chance of delayed and an even higher chance of a postpone.


Was much worse in Pre-AE ED.
Heal Looping was indeed crap but then there was a time that every build could beat every build and there was somewhat ' strategy ' in this game...
All I see now is everyone jumping to the strongest class...

Not AE's fault. You need a better graphics card and more RAM, and better internet.
Again didn't say AE's fault. My Graphic Card and RAM are enough to play LOL without any lag but lag on EpicDuel?
That's not a problem on my side, but a problem at how big they make their armors and Bikes and whatever not...

Considering there's going to be a standardization of all weapon stats and that there's going to be a new enhance system, the prices are fine as they will increase the lifespan of items fifty fold at the very least.
And you get that info??? Even if it's true, the way it is now, prices are to expensive.

I've covered this issues that people think happened with AE. And it's not a fact when you've stated it's your opinion. Make up your mind.
I've been here a few days before the Merge, and when I compare Then to Now, It's gotten worst.

* I've known you since MechQuest from when you still were Venturer to when you became an AK and all... Never knew you could be that harsh.



Ranloth -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 11:39:40)

I will comment on one issue of andy:
RAM and Graphic Card do matter quite a lot. I have PC with 2 GB RAM, GeForce 8200, triple-core 2.1 Ghz processor (forgot the name of it, as I got laptop) and it tended to lag after Staff got rid of it. Since I got my own laptop for Christmas - 3GB RAM, GeForce GT 525 and intel Core i5, game runs perfectly clear and steady all the time. Haven't experience the lag at all on this laptop, while on PC it does a little due to multi-tasking bringing efficiency of PC down quite a lot. (mind that, one of my cores is broken so I have just dual-core instead of triple.. :|).



Calogero -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 11:55:10)

Doesn't change the fact that Latest armors and Vehicles have increased the amount of lag ( Yes, I am looking at you Tesla )

My Laptop isn't even a year old
3GB RAM Pentium Dual-Core 2.2 GHZ Processor



Ranloth -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 12:28:02)

In this case, there should be no lag. But as you mentioned, Tesla increases it quite a lot which I also have if I use it. Have Founder now as it does just as good and without lag, it's mainly issue with Tesla and possibly few of the bikes.

Newer PCs/laptops should not have any lag unless it's back for everyone or you have items like Tesla.. >.> But andy, if lag is created by items - we can't blame staff for it as that's they way it was done, size of it might get lowered if possible to reduce such a lag. But if lag is back for all, it might be fault of the Staff but not the fact they joined with AE. (don't take it as if I put words in your mouth, just explaning it for everyone) ^_^

Anyway, endtime has some fair points to be honest. Blood must've been good, but seeing as younger players have the game, AE is not allowed. Ironically, you're supposed to be 13+ to register or parents permission - so why isn't blood allowed in the actual game? Might be issue if parent is watching it and a lot younger players, but otherwise they should aim it at older players who are used to seeing such an effects.
Lastly, will disagree with you andy about merging being bad. Surely it has pros and cons, I won't deny it but you play AQ - first years were slow for them and it progressed slowly but AQ is out for almost 10 years now and look at the team, Sweep, etc. If we give ED more time, they will slowly get there as well and be successful game. Game is in testing phase which means changes are happening - although game seems like normal really, not testing - and we gotta live with it. We have right to demand, but small Staff can't do much. We're slowly getting new Staff, Hudelf joined recently and with time, it might be better and team will get bigger + be able to do more at once.



Calogero -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 12:44:35)

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Lastly, will disagree with you andy about merging being bad


Lol why is everyone claiming that I said the merge is bad??
v That's what I said :P nothing about AE merge being bad xD
quote:

I actualy see the game downgrade more since Tuna left instead of AE joining but then again that might be just me



Ranloth -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 12:52:51)

Oh I apologise then, just few people said you meant it in that way and I read it that way too so assumed so! Sorry again, my bad! xD



Khimera -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 12:56:34)

Another thing - Without AE, we'd have no Huddywuddy! They pay his cheques, after all.



Agiluz -> RE: Was this game better off without AE? (1/6/2012 16:15:27)

I would never have discover this game if AE never merged with ED. I give AE a thumbs up for letting me know this this Epic game.



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