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Ranloth -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:33:59)

Why are you shoving words into LB's mouth if you don't actually know? Is it that hard to accept the change? Get to know people first, in AQ he's doing great job - read his post above and think, there is a point there. So because some Forum AKs (they have right to enforce new rules too, but requires Mod's permissions too afaik) can do the same as LB, does that make them as "bad"?
One simple change on Forum which will result in more warnings if you mainly troll/flame/etc people is bad? It was like that before, but they gave you small warnings before official ones.. :|

Tell me what was important in DNs thread that you need? It's still there, but visible for AKs only or simply Archieved for Staff only (any AK, and above).

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do u see cops arresting people in a crime scene without knowing what happened?

Poor comparison. Actually yes, they could know something or be suspects.. <_< >_>

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So I posted after LB.. <.< Nevermind then.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:36:53)

When LB first came to our forums, i was pretty mad, but now, things have changed, and its turned me around.

What LB is stating, is basically, in terms of how I understood it, is this:

2 people with 1 goal, can accomplish alot.

If the hole community here, took a pledge and made it their goals to help make ED a better place for everyone, surely it would be done and the game would be fun.

The devs would come out more, and take polls more.

The reasoning as to why devs came out in aq, was probably because, at the time, the players were very happy with the game and the community.

Then, they started getting mad, which made the devs curious, because they knew, that they used to be a good community, but then no longer was.

The reason I created this thread, was to get people to work together, to help make ED a better place, if you have come to this thread to flame the dev's or lord barius, your thoughts arn't being heard.

A community where people are civilized makes things run smoother, makes things A LOT less stressful for the devs, and will in the end, get you the things you want out of this game.

If the devs knew that5 players were supportive, and liked the game, as apose to trolling others and flaming them, they would be a lot more clear with us, and all in all, make the game better.

You guys who flame, add stress to the team, which probably makes things hard to work, cause they probably dont get by a line of codem without thinking, i hope this doesnt mess somthing up.

Im glad that ed is still here, and is trying their best.



xxmirxx -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:37:45)

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First point mir, what does Forum have to do with game?
Everything to understand people frustration with dev's/staff and the last two DN. But you would understand because you don't experience of knowing as I do Im not saying I would be good mod since Im out spoken person at times rude. But only 2 mods I like are alley cat because she was my friend before she was mod and wiseman because he deal with issue and he is active tester.Sorry trans if I offend you but Im just straight shooter when comes to point. First I wasn't involved in any flamming second I wasn't one jump join two different faction.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:42:00)

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And just like any other game, it can't get better if everyone doesn't work at it ....and work at it the right way.

u wouldn't know how many times i tried helping.


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Third, and perhaps most important, have you considered that some of the things you don't like, others might like? I notice you say that "they find a way to make good suggestions look bad"....but that's not actually possible. If something is a good idea, it can certainly be executed poorly but that doesn't stop making it a good idea. Yet you're saying that they're making that good idea into a bad one. That doesn't make sense. If it's really so bad that it should be removed from the game, wouldn't that suggest that perhaps it was just a bad idea from the very start?

yes the war was a good idea.
the super war bomb ( which i doubt anyone would suggest unless they love spending $1000 per release for a general achievement) was a bad idea.

what i meant by them turning a good idea into a bad one.
is that they made a war, and everything in it was fine aside from super war bombs, ranks, and time frame given for the war.

i will explain a little more as to why this war turned out bad.
u see general rank is 1 million war points.
1 million war points can be achieved with just about $1250 in super war bombs (believe me some players have spent that much for it)
now, for a regular player who doesn't have money to spend on the game. in order for that person to achieve what the rich player did.
he would have to do over 486+ hours of hard work and non stop farming/grinding for NPCs in order to achieve that. IN LESS THAN 42 DAYS!!!!!!!!. thats 12 hours of non stop, no breaks farming of NPCs.
and the devs said that non paying players would have a chance. we dont have a chance at all. or else u would seen players getting general rank.

but the time we were given for this war is too short. and thats why players like myself are angered by the amount of time given for this war and fell that it should be extended.


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Poor comparison. Actually yes, they could know something or be suspects.. <_< >_>


actually its a good comparison. if they know something, then they know something. i clearly said "arrest someone without knowing what happened" and we aren't including suspest, because anyone could be a suspect of something.

heck i could be a suspect of robbing several banks. and u could be a suspect of mass murdering 187 people.



DeathGuard -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:43:41)

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DeathGuard: I'm afraid I don't understand. Because I punish people for being disrespectful to other people, insulting them and scaring them off....I'm the bad person and they aren't? This does not make sense to me. My only goal is to make sure that everyone gets a chance to make their opinions known without someone else jumping for their jugular because they don't see eye-to-eye. Nothing gets improved by attacking people you disagree with. Compromise is forged by educated disagreement and debate, not by flaming and insults. If your stance is that I shouldn't get rid of people or posts which exist only to degrade other people and hurt their feelings, then I'm afraid we'll simply have to disagree on principle. It's my job to give those people a chance to express their opinions too, even if you don't like it or agree with them, and I'm not the sort of person who can just allow people to rip each other apart like that. I care too much about the opinions of my friends, my fans, and my community to let that happen to them.

I'm sorry if you disagree. But I do not believe in allowing people to be rude, degrading, and hurtful just to make a point. Not when the same points can be expressed without the other person being ripped apart by the very community he/she is trying to feel at home with.
Let me explain you my post, banning giving warnings to all who were overreacting wasn't that intelligent idea, just a thoughtful pm would have work at least for some of them, if they didn't follow the rules once again, give them a warning, we always have to give second chances and to pardon between ourselves. I didn't say you should allow them or addressed them with a nice post as I said before, slapping (literally, represented as banning) them won't work, they will get more hatred against you, forums and even towards the game, I'm leaving because of my decision of avoiding future problems. I must pointed out not all were educated as you, and many other forumers that talk with patience and calmness, but that's no excuse but why don't try understanding them? The sad truth is that you're way distant to the community and you think you're close enough, that's the cold truth behind this story. At last, I said to reply me via pm but it doens't matters, next time please do it and I will be conformtable with it.

Once again, good night and have a nice weekend.

EDIT: Thanks for that Chosen One, I really appreciated it, and I was honored fighting at your side and fighting in the future against you sometimes



Chosen 0ne -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:44:03)

@Gold In case someone wants to question him


he did the math to that earlier, so what he is stating is true at the end there.



Stabilis -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:45:16)

This is the pay2win idea: real cash was used to directly BUY AN ADVANTAGE OVER OTHER PLAYERS... IN A CCOOMMPPEETTIITTIIOONN.



Shadronica -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:49:47)

Thank you Lord Barrius for taking the time to discuss forum manners.

You indeed have had a vast deal of experience and we do appreciate taking the time to explain that you understand how the ED community feels and how we can make our gaming experience better by making constructive posts rather than directing insults at each other. [;)]



Goony -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:49:49)

It would be good to put the Lycus post back somewhere ;)

Highly descriptive writing about the community and the roles of the teams... I had the popcorn out and was very entertained by the level of, let's call it, enthusiasm and support for the EpicDuel game.

The game is, by nature, competitive and that will always generate a certain level of flaming. It is after all a war game and not a simple role playing game. Please consider the vast majority of the players that try to get their point across and yes the developers and respective delegates are going to be the target of the negativity, whining and insulting comments. I myself am not innocent when it comes to that and can sometimes have the blinkers on in respect to my opinion.

Good luck in 2012 to the whole Epic Duel team... It's the opportunity of a lifetime ;)



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:50:50)

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First point mir, what does Forum have to do with game?

It has everything to due with it. LB has no idea what any of us are talking about 99% of the time. If he sees flaming and trolling he will delete it as he probably sees it as useless and against the rules. But he has no idea what the cause of it is. Flaming and trolling is wrong in many instances but many players now are so fed up they don't care. And LB doesn't understand because he has never been in our situtation. Being in a similiar situtation with AQ doesn't matter because ED and AQ are completely different. ED and AQ could have the same exact problem but it could be much more worse in one game or the other due to the fact they are much different. A huge problem in AQ could a small problem compared to what has happened in ED. And he does not know what has happened. That is why many players are outraged. Because he is the Head Mod of the EDGD and basically controls all of the discussions and has no idea what we are talking about. And until he plays ED he will not.



Wootz -> re: courtasy (1/14/2012 22:51:12)

I already sent my opinion in the PMs.
And I have nothing to discuss at this moment.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 22:53:51)

@wootz

In P.M.'s to whom?



goldslayer1 -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 22:54:33)

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In case someone wants to question him


he did the math to that earlier, so what he is stating is true at the end there.


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yes the war was a good idea.
the super war bomb ( which i doubt anyone would suggest unless they love spending $1000 per release for a general achievement) was a bad idea.

what i meant by them turning a good idea into a bad one.
is that they made a war, and everything in it was fine aside from super war bombs, ranks, and time frame given for the war.

i will explain a little more as to why this war turned out bad.
u see general rank is 1 million war points.
1 million war points can be achieved with just about $1250 in super war bombs (believe me some players have spent that much for it)
now, for a regular player who doesn't have money to spend on the game. in order for that person to achieve what the rich player did.
he would have to do over 486+ hours of hard work and non stop farming/grinding for NPCs in order to achieve that. IN LESS THAN 42 DAYS!!!!!!!!. thats 12 hours of non stop, no breaks farming of NPCs.
and the devs said that non paying players would have a chance. we dont have a chance at all. or else u would seen players getting general rank.

but the time we were given for this war is too short. and thats why players like myself are angered by the amount of time given for this war and fell that it should be extended.


and to add to that lord barrius, 486 hours if ur lucky. it really depends on the how lucky u were with war bomb drops, and crit rates.
but if ur not lucky then it may take up to 750 hours if ur not lucky.

keep in mind tho u only had 42 days to farm/grind all of this.
just goes to show how much the staff care for the non paying players.



Ranloth -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 22:55:22)

Flaming, trolling, and anything going under that is Universal Forum Rule..

And give me quote where LB says he doesn't know what we're talking about and does not.play ED at all. If there isn't, your point is invalid.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 22:58:14)

@Trans

Lb doesnt play ED, he is maybe lvl 5 or around there, he responds to this by saying, you do not need to know the game the be the head mod of a forums for it.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 22:58:58)

@Trans He has already mentioned quite a few times about his "inexperience" with ED. He stated that in his first thread when he introduced himself sometime last year. LB can confirm that himself simply ask him. I don't know how to find the quote because it is a very old thread from months ago last year. And I don't know how to retrieve it someone else may know or simply as I said, as him yourself. But he has never played ED before.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:00:14)

even if lord barrius does play ed, he wont understand the full expirience until he's lvl cap player.



BlueKatz -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:01:11)

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Let me explain you my post, banning giving warnings to all who were overreacting wasn't that intelligent idea, just a thoughtful pm would have work at least for some of them, if they didn't follow the rules once again, give them a warning, we always have to give second chances and to pardon between ourselves. I didn't say you should allow them or addressed them with a nice post as I said before, slapping (literally, represented as banning) them won't work, they will get more hatred against you, forums and even towards the game


From what I see, you always stay out of trouble, but can you say the same to some people? Some people are just like that... Your opinion and his is pretty much the same, the only difference that you think deleting and ban is not necessary. The fact? It give the same result, haters gonna hate. Banning and deleting post is not only the punishment toward that one (try to argue with me how people do the wrong thing without getting punishment?) but also to keep fairness between other forumies. - That's what he's trying to tell

About the deleted thread, I feel bad it got deleted too because there are some good staffs posts there. But really, is it worthy? That thread is so scammed, like for 5 pages out of 10.

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It has everything to due with it. LB has no idea what any of us are talking about 99% of the time. If he sees flaming and trolling he will delete it as he probably sees it as useless and against the rules.

Thanks you. You just ANSWERED your own question. He is a staff - what do you think if ED staffs visit forum and see your post? They do exactly what he would do, deleting it or ignore.
Who is right or wrong doesn't matter, it's your method the worst one.

PS: If anything, I would like to keep this thread around. I'm sick of this and want to get it over once and for all



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:01:58)

@goldslayer1 Exactly he has to be at least lvl 30+ to understand what we mean and play this game for at least a few months to understand our post.



Ranloth -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 23:02:45)

Still, managing forum doesn't require playing the game. If thread breaks the rules, it's deleted and people warned if it's serious. That's across whole Forum.
What is the point in creating another argument here? Rules are same as before, but AKs will take action now more thab before. Where is the problem?
Blame the community that made it that low, or those demanding players..

I can't find if he plays or not. You can't either so don't shove words in his mouth if it might not be true.. And read his posts too people, some of you ignore what he says which is rude and pathethic, as you want yourself being heard.. Lycus addressed same thing in DNs topic..



xxmirxx -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 23:02:39)

Better yet trans you find it were he says he plays ED and he understand what we go through. Please find it until then don't say me or IsaiahtheMage has no invalid point.



Ashari -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:03:35)

@DeathGuard: Believe me, banning is a last resort. If someone gets to the point that they have to be banned, they have been warned about their behavior multiple times in the past. However, the forum staff can't allow individuals to do as they please on the forums if it hurts other posters. Some people do ignore all the warnings, and a ban is the only message that gets through to them.

Your words do carry weight here, and they can also hurt. All the anger, flaming and trolling just creates a tense environment for everyone and that's certainly not what anyone wants for EpicDuel's community.

As for the war issues, I'll be glad to discuss them in more depth in the Design Notes thread. This war had quite a few glaring problems, but this was pretty much expected in EpicDuel's first war. It's not really feasible to redo the war system for the 2 weeks remaining of this war, but there are a lot of changes planned in response to everyone's feedback for future wars.



Chosen 0ne -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:03:42)

I hope this issue will soon be resolved because it TRUELY is very tireing.



Wraith -> RE: Well done LB & In an effort for a better community (1/14/2012 23:05:35)

*cough cough*

I'm quite interested in how Lord Barrius apparently is a "newb." I play AQW as a level 24, but I have some understanding of the game, enough to get around. He also actively monitors the forums and DNs, and should know what does what.

Quite honestly, quit flaming Lord Barrius. He's trying to rectify our forum's mistakes, so stop being so derogatory. Please.

Personally, I believe that constructive criticism will help the developers improve future releases.



goldslayer1 -> RE: re: courtasy (1/14/2012 23:07:20)

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Still, managing forum doesn't require playing the game. If thread breaks the rules, it's deleted and people warned if it's serious. That's across whole Forum.
What is the point in creating another argument here? Rules are same as before, but AKs will take action now more thab before. Where is the problem?
Blame the community that made it that low, or those demanding players..

do u go on a topic, and post in it without knowing what the topic is about?

lets say the topic is about overlord guard.

and i go in there without reading anything at all, and say "what a nice weather outside today"
ur obviously not getting the point and wont understand.



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