Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion.

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ashtonsdad -> Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 2:23:43)
First i would like to say that this is my first post in these forums in over a years time. I hope I am not posting in the wrong section or dredging up a sore or "beat-up" topic. I am a founder in Epic Duel and have just recently returned after about a year away. I want to say that I absolutely love the "new" ED, if you will, and that i am once again having a blast playing. i bought the 10k var pkg. to get the new frost weps and to get caught up as my stuff was sorely outdated and pretty useless lol. Anyhow, my concern here is the design note thread i saw about "turncoats" and that if i were to gain both 'legion' Bane" achievement ( as I have) and then the "krampus slayer' achievement they may be combined to make 'traitor" achievement and be worth 0 points. I understand the concept behind not wanting everyone leaving and jumping factions to gain both, but in my case,and possibly others, I am not in a competitive faction and I left that faction and made my own Legion aligned faction in order to do more frystewar missions. The funnest thing about the game for me now is missions and i have been doing them all, not just war missions. Anyhow, am i to be punished for enjoying the game and the missions because some faction leaders complained about faction jumpers? As we all know, there as always been, and will always be "faction jumpers" players make new friends, and want to join their faction, or whatever the reason, it'as their game and they should be allowed to play it for their entertainment and fun, and not for a faction leaders gain in fame. I didn't see that anything final has yet been decided on this issue but i am curious if that's right, or what the case may be. I am currently doing legion missions and I have affected no other factions that i was in. I think if someone earns both achievements than good for them and they should reap the rewards for their efforts. There's an old quote 'all is fair in love and war" ( in this case war) i am curious for any answers, opinions, etc... on this matter. I am torn as to whether to continue having fun playing out the missions or again, slow play down until it is decided? i am pretty sure fryste war ends with the next update so I'm thinking a decision, and announcement on this is why i am searching for an answer to this. Thanks for reading, and again, i apologize if i have mis-posted this. ~ Ashtonsdad

King FrostLich -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 2:48:09)
Well it was unfair for others who were loyal to factions and couldn't get the other achievement.

Jekyll -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 2:50:12)
Faction founders and officers are unable to complete missions on both sides, and its not our fault either. In my opinion, loyalty outweighs "fun".

xxmirxx -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 2:51:36)
The Traitor badge was just idea reason it came about was because people were just switching sides to get both achievements which dev's weren't intending on people doing that. The founders of exile and legion were getting alot of faction jumpers and both sides were worry about there faction disbanning.

ashtonsdad -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 3:10:26)
I understand the frustration with the factions, but each player has a choice of thier own to stay, or not to stay. If they stay good, and if not that's their right. And how about those that aren't in factions? Should they then have to join and in turn, stay forever with that faction when they only want to do missions? Not trying to sound argumentative here so please understand i am only interested in healthy debate and discussion on this. Also, how about someone in my position? A player that was in a faction that wasn't competitive or active (retired old farts) and because dueling doesn't really excite me atm, and I am more into doing missions, what should i do? Would you rather I sit in oz all day and chat? Or just quit again? I can imagine neither o these decisions would effect your life, game, day w.e but it does mine.

ngshuyi94 -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 3:34:57)
As Cindy mentioned earlier, remove 1 of the 2 achievements. The 2nd one, in fact. This way neither side loses. Its not really anyone's fault in this case. End of story. ~

BlueKatz -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 3:38:46)
From what I understand, the faction leaders should have the right to enjoy the game as well However they could just remove 1 of them or add the Loyal achievement or something. People always get pissed when something effect them >.> and turn mad when they can't get something they can't get <,<

ashtonsdad -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 3:49:37)
OK please explain how they should be allowed to remove an earned achievement? And why should they? Also, your idea of a "Loyalty" achievement isn't bad, however, as i said before how about players like me? What are we being, or not being "loyal" to? Also, faction leaders are such because they chose to be. I was a faction leader of one of the best factions in the history of the game and I dealt with jumpers all the time. It has, and always will be an issue that fac. leaders will either have to tolerate, or step down....again, it's a choice. ~ Adding this about an hour after this original post ~ I am going to sleep but am very interested in more opinions/points of views from more players, faction founders, members, and non-faction members that, like me like doing missions and want these achievements without penalization.

Calogero -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 6:21:21)
Eather remove 1 achievement or losing both to get a Turncoat cheevo... Eather way, Faction jumping should not be rewarded.

One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 7:23:27)
Hey Ashtonsdad long time no see man. Anyway the Traitor achievement isn't a real achievement because, like ngshuyi94 said, one achievement will be removed and next war the achievement will most likely be the same next war as to avoid this. The main reason for this "Traitor" achievement is to punish faction hoppers not only those who jumped from Exile to Legion but those who jump from Exile to Legion, or vice versa, for an extra 1K rating points.

Arcanis -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 8:35:56)
'Ello Daddy-O,Welcome (Back) to the Jungle

Smackie El Frog -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 9:13:35)
I think a Traitor cheevo would be better if it were named Treason since Traitor doesn't make such an impact on their character. But once they have that cheevo how will we ever know which side they dishonored? Post edited. ~Mecha

Sparticus -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 10:31:13)
From what I understand you can do all the other missions but not complete the boss missions on both sides and still not get the alleged "traitor" cheevo. First, who cares about cheevoes, they are a waste of money and time. Second, if all you want to do is have fun then take the "traitor" cheevo with pride. If I had the chance I'd get one just for kicks. Third, since the DEVs haven't actually done anything yet, I would wait and see how this goes. It's possible nothing bad will happen to you (is losing some cheevos actually a punishment?) Let the chips fall where they will and just have some fun.

Oba -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 12:00:08)
People who got both these cheevos dont deserve anything else than a Turncoat/Traitor cheevo. Saying that you only did it for the missions, well thats pure bullsheat. What matter does it make if you can go to a NPC, press 1 button, kill 5 players, then go back to that NPC. When you just as good could have done that without a mission, so to speak. I dont see a fun part about this. The only reason why you do missions (or quests as it is called in other games) is to get a reward, or getting involved in the storyline. Welcome back to ED tho, soon you'll see what this game really have become, and you WILL change your mind about it. :)

Stabilis -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 12:16:13)
I don't have Traitor but I think its worth a million bucks to be honoured by something so... nasty!

ashtonsdad -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 15:26:01)
@Sparticus...some things never change , and as always you are the voice of reason. :) I also see some people still hate to see someone have a good time in a video game and it hurts me to wonder how bothered they must be in real life to take it so serious. It's like, man order you a memory foam mattress and pillow and finally get you a good nights sleep, wake up and eat some food, take a shower and pop you a multi-vitamin, hit the gym and put the mouse down. I am back to Epic Duel not to get involved in factions or to worry at all about someone complaining about faction jumping when most likely that faction will be disbanded anyhow sometime soon. And why do people keep referring to faction jumpers? Aren't there any forum members other than scorned faction leaders on here anymore, I mean I appreciate everyone's opinion, and respect all of them as it is your right to feel the way you do; however, it is very one-sided and most are only responding to one aspect of what I wrote and not really thinking past what has affected them thus far in the game. I'll say this again, what about players not in factions? what about players that haven't hurt your feelings by playing thier game and having fun doing so? I am sorry that a game has to be so serious, though I know where you're coming from as I probably had a hand in making the "mood" of this game as such. I was one of the worst offenders of what you all are doing now and I see now what Titan, NightWraith, and Tuna were telling me back then and I do apologize now for not seeing it then. Thank you everyone for your opinions and taking the time to share them, fell free to keep writing. Sparticus, you're the man and you're also right. I am going to continue having fun, do the missions and accept my fate!!! :) Post edited. ~Mecha

Stabilis -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 15:42:28)
^BTW the forums have changed a lot after I came on (to the forums).

Sparticus -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 17:12:34)
Good for you ashton, enjoy the game and forget about all the non-sense. I did this years ago and it worked out great for me. I enjoy this game for what it is and don't care about the rat race of faction wars, achievements and the class changing UPed and OPed go round. Post edited. ~Mecha

Mecha Mario -> RE: Frystewar "Traitor" Achievement confusion. (1/23/2012 17:36:20)
Welcome back ashtonsdad. :) However, going to have to lock this thread. If you wish to discuss about the "turncoat" (traitor) achievement, you may continue to discuss about it in =ED= Jan 18 Design Notes - The Aftermaths. Have deleted/edited some post. Not everyone is at fault, but would like to remind everyone about this thread: =ED= Reminder About Courtesy. Just because someone has a different opinion from you, doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful to them just for their opinion.

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