RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players

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edwardvulture -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 17:20:18)
The thing is that its not the non-variums have too little, its that the varium players have too much.

Lord Machaar -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 17:34:11)
Now my guys talked about "Balances" and how the game will become, now let's see what is the place of Company in all of this. Now if they make a Non-varuim Player Equals a Varuim players Then there will be no need of buying "Varuim" which is a currency Give the Advantage to it owner. now if the players Stopped Buying this currency then who will be the first loser of course the company... There are people standing behind the scenes building the game and wasting their time to make the game better, Absolutely they need to get payed or how they gonna live then and give more ... So by buying this currency "By offers (US players) or with money" you are helping the team to grow and give more and be more creative... And you aren't forced to buy this currency, if your family situation not helping you can have fun also...

edwardvulture -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 17:43:25)
No this is wrong, varium should give an advantage, not a win. This game would be a lot bigger if there was no pay to win concept but a pay for an advantage comcept that would put skill and commitment as the main factor for winning.

rej -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:32:45)
Once again, the current var-non var gap is the perfect size.

nico0las -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:37:08)
points at Doctus Although the majority of the non variums have difficulty beating us, there are many examples of players who have surpassed the Gap and have proven to be a force to reckon with.

dracule1984 -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:42:17)
Well whatever you say Edward.. i am seeing ED growing more and more day by day.... 6 months back We usually had 2 servers full ... but since this year i am seeing that server 3 in almost half full 400+ people.. once again this thread is just a guy whining!! Again .. no matter which game you play .. ALL OF THEM GIVE HUGE ADVANTAGE TO THEIR paying players.. From ruin scape to Hero smash.. to more complicated armies of galanor.. all the paying players get huge advantage over non-paying players.. and that is the POINT to it.. why will a person pay if he is not to be given a over whelming advantage.. but again i would say ED is more then giving to its free players.. You should be thankful..

edwardvulture -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:47:26)
This is a Pvp game a robot could and have done NPCs

Luna_moonraider -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:54:41)
yes a non varium can beat a varium but it is a uphill task and the his is more like a straight wall. the devs expect us to climb wall like we r spiderman. most non varium cant even climb the bloody wall. @dracule server being full does not mean more players for all u know people are bored and are playing with their low lvl alts i do that i have tons of alts and i get tons of enjoyment from them. be thankful huh yeah we should but notice how bad things are for us 1v1=death button unless u have tons credits and enh. 2v2= noob breeding zone. 2v1=20k credits if u r 34 and u run in 2 lvl 31 full var=ggwp. oh and it is not thanksgiving so we all should not even be thankful of these stuff XD

One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 18:58:50)
keep in mind some of the best F2P gear for stat abuse is also low gear so while we get massive stat modifiers from them they lack in damage. Also last i checked, which was with the TLAPD gear, the gap was at 10 levels and since the gear has ha no massive power boost since then the gap between average F2P and average Varium should still be around 10 levels

Luna_moonraider -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:01:58)
also keep in mind most non varium have to use a stat abuse build because there is no non varium bot no assult bot does not count as arcade is a token scam

IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:02:21)
@Edward I totally agree. @rej No its not. Play in the shoes of a Lvl 29 Non-varium for a while and see how far you get. @dracule You aren't getting it. Variums should get a advantage not a automatic win. Like I said before most of these increasing numbers of players are just low level players who will probably quit or buy varium by the time they reach lvl 29 if they even stay that long. And be thankful for what? Giving? You're totally right man!!! Solo Battles = Constant Lvl 34 CH/TLM full variums! Team Battles = Its me and my lvl 32 player with a lvl 1 primary and nothing else vs two lvl 34 full variums! AWESOME!!! I'm so thankful!!!! [:D]

dracule1984 -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:13:18)
^ IsaiahtheMage.. We are talking about Paying vs non Paying customers.. not balance.. yeah i know their is no B in the balance.. being level 34 is a curse.. let it be jugg or 2 v 2.. its like the Dev don't even care about 2 v 2.. they just ignore it :/ !! its so bad that i have stop playing 2 v 2 and currently enjoying on my alt BM level 27..and thinking of doing NPC till they fix it.. (they did, but broke it again) I agree to most of what luna says .. but i still say that the GAP between non and paying is fine the way it is.. they just need to do something about the balance in 2 v 2 and jugg

IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:20:17)
^ This isn't about variums vs non-varuims this is clearly about the GAP. Besides those type of threads are not allowed.

supermasivo -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:29:35)
The gap is perfect. The way it should be. Thats why "We" PAY. Its all about varium to get the "Power". FIN.

Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 19:41:03)
The gap has many tiers with enhancements, and depending on the number of stats, it can be difficult to compete or equally compete. Though this topic is a very important issue, one must look at the game itself. As of now, most revenue is generated through pvp sales (Weapons, Armor, Battle advantages and so on), Once this game can implement more features beyond pvp, and the player base can support by using their varium on those features, then the varium/non-varium difference will lessen. As of now, a substantial advantage is all they can offer. If you have ideas where players can support non pvp features, I do suggest in posting in that section.

DestruRaGe -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 20:29:00)
quote: @edwardvulture No this is wrong, varium should give an advantage, not a win. This game would be a lot bigger if there was no pay to win concept but a pay for an advantage comcept that would put skill and commitment as the main factor for winning. Exactly. Im not gonna give names but free2play top mmos got it in most cases like that. Skill and commitment in the first place and then a nice prices for virtual money that can give you some advantage or speed things up. Too bad ED is far away from that.

PD -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 20:31:08)
quote: The gap is perfect. The way it should be. Thats why "We" PAY. Its all about varium to get the "Power". FIN. Because you pay to get 135 more stats than your opponent in more cases? Just because you pay doesn't mean you have an inherent right to win; you pay to get an advantage, but the non-varium non-enhanced player should get a chance to win even if they're fighting a full varium full enhanced CH/TLM. It will happen once standardization and scaling (Which will effectively replace the current enhancement system) are implemented, whether you like it or not.

drinde -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 20:33:33)
^ And when is that going to happen? I've neva even seen a mention of it for a long time.

PD -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 20:34:48)
It was supposed to happen last update, but sudden delays (And the Hudelf Copyright fiascol) delayed things a bit. Scaling and standardization have been mentioned many many many MANY times by staff. Don't know how you [or anyone else here who seem to care so much about the game's balance] could miss something so significant. Both features will effectively end power inflation and most likely increase the fairness.

PenyihiR -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 20:50:23)
1 vs 1 mode , 2 vs 2 mode , juggernaut mode. Hah!![:@] For non-varium all battle mode is "Suicide Mode" (Well, i already quit ED)

xxmirxx -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 21:00:51)
quote: Outdated equipment is the biggest problem. Credit players constantly have to use items below level cap, it's no wonder there are less and less non varium players battling other than NPCs. Thats very true statement we always have outdate weapons and ever since robots came out its become to point were most non varium gotta pay to win or just quit. I get point players varium should have advantage but its not even fun for both sides. Theres no challenge were easy wins. There are few non varium that are good but I mean like 200 out of whole ED. quote: yes a non varium can beat a varium but it is a uphill task and the his is more like a straight wall. the devs expect us to climb wall like we r spiderman. most non varium cant even climb the bloody wall. Yah it used to be like with me I had to do npc as well 1vs1. I seriously now looking back wonder I was one of few non varium that did well against over powering varium players.

liy010 -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 21:42:55)
Equal=No more buying Varium=Game goes Bye Bye Think of it like this...The staff makes equal or even better Non-Varium items and shuts the game down for Non-Variums (Since Variums payed) would you rage at that? Of Course.

Rui.. -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 21:50:02)
Who said 2 on 2 is a bad idea for a non var. Its actually the best battle option for them noobs.We spend $ getting the best gear and enhansing our items and what do we get some noob partner who does not even have a gun or aux as our partner. Moreover they fail to listen and screw our win rate. What really needs to be done is the developers need to open an elite server for var users only where we can be happy not to have fvkin noobs by our side messing our game play. All you non var players with on aux,gun and level 1 weapon users can go take a hike and piss on your own kind. There balance issue resolved weapon issue resolved but then again you will still complain and whine cause that what you do?

Joe10112 -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 21:55:22)
My theory is this: So many people are buying var, that they are able to NPC faster and more efficently due to better equipment, and are able to level up faster. Therefore, most Non-Vars level ~30 are facing many, many, many level 33-34 fully geared fully enhanced second-tier classes. Because of this disconnect between what nonvars level 30-31 can beat, and what they face ~every time they click "1v1", it gives us the impression that ED is basically a Pay to Win, instead of Pay to Advantage. Sure, I beat a level 34 fully geared Tac Merc recently (3 days ago), but it was pure, pure, PURE luck. 2 blocks, 2 criticals for me, 1 deflection for me. She took it well, saying good job, but we both knew it was completely luck. This is the disconnect, I have to resort to NPC to gain sure EXP and Credits, instead of 1v1 or the blasted arcade. (After about 500+ wins, finally got an Assault Bot a couple months ago)

Lectrix -> RE: Non-Variums stand no chance against Varium Players (1/31/2012 22:15:39)
As stated clearly in the ED General Discussion Rules, Financial Discussions are not allowed. More often than not, these types of Threads will devolve into (or at least contain) instances of flaming between Varium and non-Varium players. Locked!

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