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Chosen 0ne -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 12:56:08)

I said im not a heavy spender, meaning yes, 120 isnt much to spend on this game.



Ranloth -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:02:21)

Main point of this topic:
  • Bot is just 14K Credits, same as Assault but -2 less damage
  • Payers spent 1250 Varium on it, they want a refund after 19 months because there's similar Bot.
  • Non-Varium deserve nothing but crap items
  • People miss out the fact it's also a drop, both Bots (FREE Varium Bot?! Impossibru!)

    That summarises whole thread. This whole topic is just begging for refund because they are almost equal. I bought it with Varium and I don't see a problem? Yeah surely this would be better because it's for Credits but you're 19 months late.
    I still pity those who think Varium is insta-win. No Varium is advantage over non-Varium. People need to learn the meaning at last, face it - gap is slowly closing and Varium items will NOT be far stronger than non-Varium. It's advantage, not insta-win..
    Lastly, in AQ if there's Z-Token weapon (equivalent to Varium) - people buy it as it seems good. But next week, there's almost same weapon with very similar power and same Element.. Of course people aren't happy as they didn't see it coming but both items are close in power so they may as well as have different Art or very little advantage over the other weapon (costing just Gold, not Z-Tokens).



    • XxKirachanXx -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:05:38)

    And to reply, I'm a bit new to this, I've played for a total of 5 months...
    I don't think the new bot is OP'd at all, nor do I have a problem with a nonvarium's access to a robot by skill rather than massive luck...it just made buying the assault bot a complete waste.
    The new bot is really easy to get, playing about 4-5 hours, during both power hours, I could easily get that with my lv30 nonvarium mercenary.
    I just think that it should take a little more work to get.
    But I'll quit complaining, since no one said I HAD to buy it. I was just getting sick of consistently losing and vented by buying an item that, at the time, seemed like it could fix that. But...as I can see, it didn't at all, a few days after I bought it (a month or two ago) I already considered it a waste and now I do even moreso.
    It was my poor resource management that was clearly at fault.



    Clavier -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:10:00)

    It's just a matter of time.
    Example, industrial claws(varium level 30 wrist blades) are good when beta. But now it's equal to touch of agony(non var level 33 wrist blades).
    Assault Bot was OP when it first came out, but now, after a pretty long time, a robot slightly less powerful came out.



    One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:11:55)

    @Kirachan then you are smart. Rusty is much weaker then Assault bot because most bots are Physical so people tend to have more Def then Res. Not only do people have more Def then Res the Damage on Rusty is less then the Assault bot.

    So you are correct saying that Rusty is not OP'ed but dropping the Drop rate on Rusty could be a possiblity(if it's drop rate isnt already 1% like we guessed it was for the arcade)

    But no matter how you slice it even with a drop rate of 1% at base because of the dynamic system a drop becomes more likely over time so people starting today are very likely to have Rusty by the time they get to lv 30


    Also you are learning the Seasonal rare rule of EpicDuel that seasonal rare gear tends to be outdated by other seasonal rare gear and Promo gear will almost always trump past Promo gear



    XxKirachanXx -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:18:25)

    To be honest, since I'm a bounty hunter, the rusty would be better for me, was I to go for a 5focus build.
    My main gripe is that it should be a little more expensive, but at the same time, not completely out of the reach of a decent nonvarium player
    14k seems like they are freely giving them out, a weak nonvarium armor is more expensive.
    I just think it would be more reasonable around 20k, give or take a little.
    It should take a little effort to get it. I don't really have an issue with the bot itself, I just feel ripped off, isn't that understandable?

    Isn't it frustrating, when you realize that if a few months ago, had you made some slightly different decisions when buying gear, you wouldn't be in the hole your in



    Ranloth -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:21:59)

    I'll agree with Kira on that post.
    It should be about the price of non-Varium Armor which is 20K Credits. It's a bit to farm, especailly casual players, but possible and requires some effort. Bot itself is fine, I just hope it drops for (all) of my alts. xD



    Luna_moonraider -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:30:53)

    i do agree that the price of the bot is well low i tot it would be some wat 25k or 20k min but it is like 14k kinda easy to farm 14k as a non var i farmed like 6k by just doing 2v2 for 5 h. since the revamped credits rewards for 2v2 it is easier to farm credits as a non varium so 14k pricing is way too long 14k= 2-3 days of npc + 2v2 + ph. lolz i think the devs put the bot at a cheap price for a reason Epic 5 focus duel. u see the devs want every1 to turn into 5 focus build XD. btw if u kill 1 person in 2v2 u get 53 credits.



    One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:31:42)

    @Kirachan 18K-20K would work but you have to keep in mind I used Beta gear up until Two weeks ago I made my bad descision that long ago and lived with it for all of Gamma. Also when I started back on Dec. 5th 2009 I was given some free varium with that I started a faction and bought a ton of low level noob gear that was outdated by lv 15 so when it comes to wasting Varium I has it down to a science and when I could have saved all of that Varium for a good weapon towards the cap if I had known better I wasted it. So we all make bad calls when not having all of the facts at the time it's part of the game and as the game advances we will all make more.



    XxKirachanXx -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:38:22)

    I got varium in October of last year.
    Now, had I had a class change to a cyber, instead of buying a lv 25 armor; bought the spectral reaper, instead of the harvest reaper; Bought Nightwraith's duds, instead of the assault bot; I would be doing a lot better now.
    Every time I remember that I feel like kicking myself...
    I don't have money to be spending on this game, yet I am thoroughly addicted. I even find my mood is influenced by the game. When I lose a lot, which is often, I feel either a bit down, or when I feel like I could have won, but was cheated out by Lady Luck, I get so frustrated I'll give myself a headache lol



    One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 13:41:22)

    @Kirachan Hindsight is 20/20 we all make mistakes in this game and we all know what we should have done better. But yeah Bot should cost more then Armor because you really should get Armor before a bot



    Wraith -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:08:13)

    *cough*

    *cough*

    Yeah, Assault is F2P.

    Money is free.

    Getting something good from the arcade is like winning the jackpot from a lottery/gambling.



    Chosen 0ne -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:08:47)

    This thread literally needs to be deleted.



    Pranz -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:32:34)

    Lol yea the thread got a bit out of hand.....But the thing is varium is really expensive and if your doing offers it takes a really long time, you could buy a high end graphics game such as Skyrim for about the same price. I personally have no problem with the new bot because I myself bout it (too cheap to buy the assault bot :P), but many F2P that I know are still complaining that var players are too OP, I mean they can't expect the gap to be bridged completely.



    Lord Nub -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:37:51)

    Assault Bot isn't nearly as F2P as this rusted version.

    Assault bot required tokens being spent in arcade along with a win to even get anything period.

    Now you just battle completely free and get a free 80% debuff bot? or spend a measily 14k credits?

    What about all the time and effort the dedicated non varium players put into acquiring the assault bot or what about the supporters spending real money for the assault bot?

    Once again the players have been slighted. Nothing new. Hopefully they fix this and reduce the debuff by half or at at least to 50%.



    My Goldfish Died -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:38:34)

    Face the fact that when you buy something, you are taking a gamble. Since in the future something better will come out. For example, if i bought an iPad2 and 10 months later. The new iPad3 comes out, with better features and everything. Also, it cost less then the amount as the iPad2 when it first came out. Do you think they will let you complain on how people get it for less. Nope. This is just how life is. When you buy something, you are taking a gamble, because they will be a better one in the future.



    Laceration General -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:45:01)

    Dude just stop complaining, if they find there's a problem with it they'll fix it. I personally like it cause I use physical weapons. The debuff is just a bonus



    od -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 14:58:42)

    As a f2p, who wasted many tokens getting assault bot, I think this robot is slightly oped, but not much. Perhaps lowering the debuff to -70 or -75% would be better



    zion -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 15:51:36)

    The bot is at the right power level. It has been a long time coming - phys and weaker version of assault was suggested since Beta! I could understand raising the price a bit - but really it should just cost credits + battle tokens (something also discussed ad infinitum). You can complain about any new f2p weapon/armor/bot compared to older items - BUT - if you add up all the few stat points from each item and the weaker damage on bots/auxes, current Varium equips are still OP compared to f2p - which is exactly what Varium pays for.

    --Noiz



    Algorithm -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 16:27:37)

    It will not receive a nerf, it was already released and many people have already bought it. The price however is way to low, it has the best special ability a bot can have IMO.



    Lord Machaar -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 16:40:19)

    According to Assault bot, Hell yeah!



    liy010 -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 17:42:46)

    I'm not sure if this is what he meant but...

    quote:

    Yeah yeah like you guys paid for FREE WINS against non-variums.Like non-variums cant even win against variums.


    How about you get 100 wins for 500 Varium xD

    Anyway, I'm Glad I didn't have time to buy Varium Last week because if I did, I would've gotten the Assault Bot.

    I agree this new bot is a bit OP but then again, usually in battle, Malf takes 30 Tech from me and if it was only 50%, I would just rather tech myself. If this bot was nerfed, there would be a new thread titled "Refund on Rusted Assault Bot" because I sure want a refund of Credits if it was nerfed to 50%

    quote:

    It will not receive a nerf, it was already released and many people have already bought it. The price however is way to low, it has the best special ability a bot can have IMO.


    This made me lol because at this rate, "NEW BOT!!! WELL-OILED ASSAULT BOT 99% DEBUFF NERF!!! COMING FRIDAY!!!"



    Wootz -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 17:45:15)

    quote:


    It will not receive a nerf, it was already released and many people have already bought it. The price however is way to low, it has the best special ability a bot can have IMO.


    Personally, I think that Gamma Bot is the best one. 'Nuff said.

    quote:

    Yeah yeah like you guys paid for FREE WINS against non-variums.Like non-variums cant even win against variums.


    Looks like they did, and now they are complaining how it "is" unfair.



    ND Mallet -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 18:31:58)

    Here's the deal folks. It's been stated before by Wiseman that the plan on non varium gear was that it would be two levels weaker than varium gear. How does level affect a bot exactly though? You just have to reduce the damage it gives, which would roughly be 4 tech=1 damage. The bot loses out on two damage, or roughly 8 tech, which is 2 levels. I have no problems with the bot, actually I quite encourage there be more items like it for non variums. It makes it more interesting on my main to fight and more fun on my non varium alt if he actually stands a chance nowadays.



    Ranloth -> RE: the new bot is too oped (2/18/2012 18:44:41)

    @ND
    Is that so? I looked for some quote or info on the Varium advantage and expected it to be Lvl or two advantage. Well now I got it cleared up and it all makes sense. ^_^

    Now that's the reason why non-Varium weapons are catching up. They get 2-3 less slots and less stats or damage (up to +8 stats/+2 damage/mix of both) which is that Varium advantage. Good to know balancing is happening and gap is slowly closing. I was right that this Bot will just prove the gap is closing. Although only bad point about the bot would be price, raising it to up to 20K would be best as Credits are easy to farm, especially until 14K. I myself farmed 3K today with no power hour and minimum effort - all thanks to Credit change from fights.



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