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Darkeroid -> Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:29:05)

Yes people,Azrael Borg is totally OP.

Everytime I use defense matrix,I get debuffed.
Azrael borg made buffs completely useless.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:32:22)

agreed.

should be made 40% debuff.



gangster a -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:32:34)

the thing is its OP but if you have a high dex build you should have no problem defeating it and i rarely use defence matrix never needed to. well so far anyways



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:45:46)

I dont think something like this should of been implmented (Id be interested to knwo what the balance team thought proces was doing at the time...), its basically inviting players to get effortless wins. and throwing all last hopes of this game ever being about strategy agian....


If they wanna fix there mistakes they shouldnt go about making it weaker, what needs to happen is counters.

There need to be counters for effortless Power Abusers, now that they took away sheilding they should go out of there way to find a replacement.


@ Gangster,
The solution should never be they are beatable if you spam defences....
There needs to be counters flexiable to most builds and ALL classes.




drinde -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:47:26)

What about my idea of the Buff Nerf being Nerfed by Assault Bot's Nerf?

Sorry for confusion. ;D



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:47:56)

if its made block able , half the job is done.



Stabilis -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:49:15)

I think a special change is in order.

My suggestion is to have it lower accuracy for 3 turns.



gangster a -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:50:42)

actually i think soul prisoner is right its special should be made blockable cause the yetis is so why shouldnt the azrael borg be?



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:51:43)

@Remorse: balance team do not explain themselves. sad but true.

the sooner their is a public test server the better. clearly they need help.



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:52:08)

@ soul and gangster

NO blockable is NOT the answer

Just because it then beccomes based around luck JUST means people will complain here MORE about luck.

I also hate it how people seem to think that having high dex and expecting blocks is counted as a counter for STR builds ITS NOT BECAUSE its TOTALLY UNRELIABLE!
For counter to be effective and for the game to get out of its hole the impact of luck needs to be lowered and LUCK should NEVER be the answer to problems.

But how about take away the attack side!!
Aussult doesnt have an attack while it reduces its effects, WHY should azreal be able to attack gain rage while making the opponeents turn to sheild just as bad as getting stunned.
@ Drinde,
I agree to that idea,
Azreal borg needs to be changed so that instead of it shrinking the buff it just takes away 80% of the effectiveness, This means the effect would be EXACTLY the same excpet instead of a sheild going from being +20 to +5 it instead goes to, (+20) (-15) The exact same defence except now the aussult bot can shrink the azreal effect.
Good way to counter but there are also many other ways.



drinde -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:54:55)

Or even better:

Azrael Borg: Once used, the % removed is applied in negative to the Stinger's HP*-**.

*Which makes sense, since bees die after stinging.
**As in, if you cut off 20 DEF from a Def Mat, you immediately lose 20 HP.



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:57:26)

^ Thats is also a good idea drinde :)

See counters are not so hard.





gangster a -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:58:37)

^ lol so you mean instead of mana you lose health like when poison attcks you i get what you are saying but then you can kill your opponents easily that way

for a simple way of saying what i just said you lose health when you use your special that would cause your opponents to kill you easily next turn ignore what i said above about poison :P



drinde -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 7:59:03)

@Above

What?



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:00:29)

I'd say make all robot specials one time use only, like the Yeti [but It still doesn't solve issue of power builds]



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:00:34)

^ What drinde means (I think)

Is when you reduce the players sheild, you also lose that much health calculated by how much defence is reduced.

SO the person WITH azreal bot loses the health for using the buff reducing special.

@ Pivitol,

The main reason why I havnt completely raged about this bot is because its 1 time only like the yeti, Alot of times I try to boost through there huge attacks and sheild for the second time when I can but then I have a MASSIVE catch up not to metnion the fact they usally get 2-3 rages before I get one.....


If anything the yeti should be changed,
The yeti has barely no use, I think it should be changed to unblcokable like azreal AND normal attack damage like azreal.

How is it they were concerned so much of the yeti being oped so much so its practically useless yet when its something to HLEP the anoying powerbuilds :D lets make it unblockable and at full power e.e
Then the yeti could actuly serve as a use for perhaps being a possible gun counter for powerbuilds.

Might lower the impact of BMs gun of doom.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:08:26)

@ Remorse

Do u really think Dev's r gonna make such a big change??

on players best and highest demand, the only things they could or would do is make a small change like "block able" .

what dou think , the players who bought the bot, would sit quit ??? they too r gonna complain , it would feel cheated , after buying and then its value is lowered.....



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:08:54)

@Remorse: I actually prefer the Yeti's damage on special cause Borg never hits higher than 3 unless a fluke crit.
I kinda accept the increase in damage for only being able to use the special once.

but in a low focus build I can see the problem you are talking about.



Darkeroid -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:11:29)

Azrael's special:Takes a percent of the buff and then debuffs the opponent.



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:13:27)

@soul,

They arent proberly gonna make big chnages your right, but they could always make big counters whcih indirectly solve this problem without cheating players of there bot.

@ Pivotal,


I thought yeti had reduced damage on the special were as the azreal borg was 100% normal focus damage??




SouL Prisoner -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:14:51)

*cough ,
quote:


@ Dark,

They arent proberly gonna make big chnages your right, but they could always make big counters whcih indirectly solve this problem without cheating players of there bot.



its me , not "Dark" .



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:15:28)

^ Corected sorry,
xD



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:18:37)

@Remorse: I need to go retest them using a focus build but I was pretty sure the Yeti special does more then the Borg special,
but less than the normal attack of either [which are identical]



Remorse -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 8:24:27)

^I Know the yetis special is reduced but I havent seen anything saying the azreal specials dmaage is reduced.

It appears that it always hits 3 buts thats only becase its used by constant STR abusers.
And because for that attack they were hitting on a high sheilded defnces usally.




drinde -> RE: Azrael Borg is OP (3/8/2012 9:48:21)

Buh Tah Wey, it shouldn't even deal DMG, that causes STR Builds to RAGE, and we know how that affects Non-Abusers...



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