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DestructingM -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 13:19:32)

Definitely the lower levels. If equal, the guy who has more support.




Khannibal -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 15:49:05)

I believe support should have a more prominent role, using 150 support as a 34 Tech Mage I was going last or third the majority of battles, which was pretty stupid due to my low health and defence/resistance, it used to be that i'd go first a lot more, particually when me and Moesha were trying out the 88 support builds that a lot of people adopted, now it feels like it has absolutely no effect.

Whenever i'm against a lower levelled player they go first, despite encumberance meaning they're even better geared than me.




Basicball -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 15:53:03)

in my personal opinion, level difference should play a lesse part then it does now. 1 level should be equal to 4 or 5 support.




Khannibal -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 16:01:11)

^

I Support that, no pun intended ;]
I feel there are so many ingame issues that could be tweaked with very little issue, and very little debate.
I know of very few people who'd have an issue with adopting that approach to going first.




fhiz -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 16:10:52)

If the two players are the same lvl then the one with higher support should go first.


I also think there should be a formula to decide how much of a support advantage you need to go first if you are facing a lower level opponent.


I wouldn't begin to know the exact numbers but i think a lvl 34 running a 160 support build should always start over a lvl 30 with 26 support.


I do not nor have I ever thought first strike should be random. There needs to be a solid system in place for who starts.




Stabilis -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 16:19:22)

OK, lets get some numbers flashing. Comparing Primary weapons of the same rank (seasonal rare), type (physical), rarity (very close), price (very close), number of enhancements (8), and 1 level difference...

I am comparing the Wraith Axe and Hammerhead Maul:

The Wraith Axe (34) has 26 stat points while the Hammerhead Maul (33) has 25 stat points. There is a stat difference of 1. Then there is the damage difference, a damage difference of 1. Since damage in Strength for example is scaled at a ratio of 4 stat points to 1 damage in the stat progressions (4 Strength ≈ 1 damage), the total stat difference between weapons of 1 level difference, it is as Basicball mentioned, 4-5. Then there is the number of allocatable stat points per level up... 4. Therefore, since there are 4 stattable equipment types (Primary, Sidearm, Auxiliary, Armour) and 1 level involved in a 1 level difference...

For each level, there would be an advantage of 25 stat points in the favour for the player of the lower level. For every 1 level lower than another player, that player has a 25 point Support advantage over the other player in terms of first-turn Support advantage.

So it would work like this:

Level 30 @ 80 Support VS Level 34 @ 120 Support

Level 30 has a 100 point Support handicap for first turn, making their first turn Support advantage 180. Therefore the level 30 starts the match.

Level 34 @ 120 Support VS Level 34 @ 150 Support

No first turn Support handicap involved, the Level 34 @ 150 Support starts the match.




charwelly -> RE: who do you think should start first in 1/1 (5/11/2012 16:40:23)

Support ftw




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