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Retrosaur -> The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 10:42:43)

I'd like to use this post to discuss the rationality of "OP" weapons. Mind you, not "overpowered" weapons, but "overPRICED" weapons.

I couldn't help but noticing on ThylekShran's excel sheet that there is a HUGE gap between the level 25-ish weapons and the level 31-ish weapons via varium.

There is no 725 varium priced weapon, no 800 varium priced weapon, no 900 varium priced weapon up until that 995 varium.

There is no weapon that is sold between 550-994 varium at all. What is the rationality behind this? Should varium prices get rescaled?



SouL Prisoner -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:27:02)

Well, it should definitely get rescaled ... the price of the weapons and armors are as expensive as getting them in the real WORLD!! :O



Ez_Ease -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:29:41)

I do agree that the prices should get scaled, will wait and see what happens



Wraith -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:43:31)

So true.

I wouldn't mind having a few points off my weapons, if I could save a few hundred Varium.

We need some form of stat per Varium, and lower stat weaps but less Var spent.




PD -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:46:50)

Game Theory

That is all that needs to be said about this topic.



Oba -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:55:34)

Things are really getting overprices... I was about to buy this new bot, then I saw it costed 1900 varium.... WOOOOT!... Thats just not gonna happen.



Retrosaur -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 11:55:39)

quote:

expensive as getting them in the real WORLD!! :O


Wait wait wait...are you saying there are real life Eggzookas? Wow!



SouL Prisoner -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 12:12:00)

^ you could at least make a toy that cost the same price (A toy Eggzooka) just comparing, get the point, not the troll , C'mon....



PD -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 12:26:48)

Prices are a relative thing, FYI. They don't accurately reflect human labor nor capacity.

I personally feel that the prices are high, and that comparison to their real life counterparts is wrong due to the ambiguity of set exchange rates. Your idea of what's right isn't correct because nobody's is. It's all relatives.



King Helios -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:01:40)

Primary/Secondary Weapons sold between 550 and 994 Varium:

Swords:
Tech Cleaver 2 (950)
Alien War Axe (975)
Overlord Blade (975)
Rune Cleaver (975)
Super Energy Katana (975)
Heartbreaker Broadsword (975)
Heartbreaker Cleaver (975)
Crimson War Axe (975)

Wrist Blades:

Sadistic Blades (950)
Super Doom Spike (950)
Bunny Chompers (975)
Dark Triblades (975)
Demon Claws (975)
E Bunny Chompers (975)
Heartbreaker Blades (975)
Heartbreaker Claws (975)
Industrial Claws (975)
Perforator (975)
Plasma Torch (975)

Staffs:

Depleted Staff (900)
Nano Staff (900)
Shard Staff (900)
Xeno Staff (900)
Dragon Staff (975)
Gatekeeper Staff (975)
Heartbreaker Staff (975)
Jester's Staff (975)
Mega Proto Staff (975)
Robo Staff (975)
Templar Staff (975)

Clubs:

Crystal Maul (925)
Warmonger (925)
Bio Tech Maul (975)
Blood Shard (975)
Giga Mace (975)
Heartbreaker Maul (975)
Heartbreaker Scepter (975)
Jester's Maul (975)
Sandwich Club (975)
Spore Maul (975)

Guns:

Tactical Kurz MP (875)
Super Repeater (900)
Super Grim Magnum (900)
Elite SMG (925)
Imperial ACP (925)
Imperial ACP K (925)
Assault SMG (950)
Heartbreaker Blaster (975)
Heartbreaker Magnum (975)
Heartbreaker Special (975)
Plasma Magnum (990)





Mr. Black OP -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:04:21)

^
Still all those items are over priced.
A level 25 varium weapon doesn't even cost 350 varium
http://www.epicduelwiki.com/index.php/The_Zealot
250 varium at level 26, 8 levels later the price is multiplies by 4.
How are level 30+ weapons even remotely fairly priced?
I would do this:
All weapons (excluding bots and those with specials) cost 350 varium or below. Weapons with specials cost 375. Bots cost 400. Armor costs 375. Delta Armor costs 450 (because it is the best). Enhancements cost 10% of what the currently cost. Almost nobody would complain about prices if they were like these.



Retrosaur -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:14:21)

@Duel Domination
quote:

Items sold between 550 and 994 Varium:

Swords:
Tech Cleaver 2 (950)
Alien War Axe (975)
Overlord Blade (975)
Rune Cleaver (975)
Super Energy Katana (975)
Heartbreaker Broadsword (975)
Heartbreaker Cleaver (975)
Crimson War Axe (975)

Wrist Blades:

Sadistic Blades (950)
Super Doom Spike (950)
Bunny Chompers (975)
Dark Triblades (975)
Demon Claws (975)
E Bunny Chompers (975)
Heartbreaker Blades (975)
Heartbreaker Claws (975)
Industrial Claws (975)
Perforator (975)
Plasma Torch (975)

Staffs:

Depleted Staff (900)
Nano Staff (900)
Shard Staff (900)
Xeno Staff (900)
Dragon Staff (975)
Gatekeeper Staff (975)
Heartbreaker Staff (975)
Jester's Staff (975)
Mega Proto Staff (975)
Robo Staff (975)
Templar Staff (975)

Clubs:

Crystal Maul (925)
Warmonger (925)
Bio Tech Maul (975)
Blood Shard (975)
Giga Mace (975)
Heartbreaker Maul (975)
Heartbreaker Scepter (975)
Jester's Maul (975)
Sandwich Club (975)
Spore Maul (975)

Guns:

Tactical Kurz MP (875)
Super Repeater (900)
Super Grim Magnum (900)
Elite SMG (925)
Imperial ACP (925)
Imperial ACP K (925)
Assault SMG (950)
Heartbreaker Blaster (975)
Heartbreaker Magnum (975)
Heartbreaker Special (975)
Plasma Magnum (990)


Fine.... 500- 900 ;3



King Helios -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:17:55)

^Now that's much faster!

Riotzooka (650)
Tactical Kurz MP (875)

P.S. Here's something weird. The Plasma Launcher (27, 425?) costs more Varium than the Heavy Assault Magnum (28, 350)!



Retrosaur -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:21:55)

@Dual Domination (I spelled your name incorrectly in the previous post, my bad)
quote:

Riotzooka (650)
Tactical Kurz MP (875)


Which brings about my point. Only TWO weapons? In that range? Since your really good with this, show me the weapons between 100-499 (since the range previously was 500-900)




8x -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:26:49)

quote:

Fine.... 500- 900 ;3

Item that were released for NWs birthday all cost 895 varium (example: http://www.epicduelwiki.com/index.php/Wraith_Pikes )



King Helios -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:31:24)

Hyperdxlord, there are probably at least 100, and I really don't have the time to name them all. However, I get your point.

8X, I wasn't around for 11-11-11, either that or I had been retired.



King Helios -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:44:18)

Pricing Solution:

Level 1-10 Varium Anything: 10x Level in Varium.

Level 11-15 Varium Armor: 12x Level in Varium.
Level 11-15 Varium Anything Else: 10x alevel in Varium.

Level 16-20 Varium Armor: 12x Level in Varium.
Level 16-20 Auxiliary: 11x Level in Varium.
Level 16-20 Anything Else: 10x Level in Varium.

Level 21-29 Varium Sword: 14x Level in Varium.
Level 21-29 Varium Class Primary: 13x Level in Varium.
Level 21-29 Varium Auxiliary: 13x Level in Varium.
Level 21-29 Varium Armor: 13x Level in Varium.
Level 21-29 Varium Gun: 12x Level in Varium.

Level 30-34 Varium Sword: 17x Level in Varium.
Level 30-34 Varium Armor: 16x Level in Varium.
Level 30-34 Varium Auxiliary: 16x Level in Varium.
Level 30-34 Varium Class Primary: 15x Level in Varium.
Level 30-34 Varium Gun: 15x Level in Varium.

Robots 1-24: 400 Varium.
Robots 25+: 775 Varium.

Bikes: 500 Varium.

So, a Level 33 Armor that would cost 995 Varium now would cost 33*16, or 528 Varium.

Varium pricing could go up by 35% to account for this.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 18:53:19)

This game is overpriced to the extreme. It's more expensive to play here than any other Artix game.



Retrosaur -> RE: The Rationality of "OP" Weapons (5/12/2012 19:10:10)

quote:

This game is overpriced to the extreme. It's more expensive to play here than any other Artix game.

AQW is pretty expensive for a membership. Really, it is.



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