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fightR -> Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:32:10)

In this game we have a wide variety of players, I myself am more of a defensive player. I go into Juggernaut and i face most likely either a tech mage or a mercenary, or even both at one time. i have pretty good defenses as is def 27-33 +5 +1 and res 25-30 +5 +1 -1 +11 (plasma armor). About 3/4 of my matches are like this: mercenary bunker busts, tech mage plasma bolts, and Bounty Hunter uses smoke. And very often it may just be me, but i tend to get crit'd upon on the first move and by the time it's even my turn i have lost half my health. By this point I'm forced to heal and then they just wait and build up their rage so they can do the same process, just with more damage. I think you would agree with me that you see builds like this ALL the time when you do Juggernaut. I can win these types of fights but not w/o luck. and i wonder how all these other people do it.

So my discussion topic with you guys is when you play Juggernaut do you play defensive or do you just go for the kill and try to take them out as fast as possible? Also what do you think can be done with these types of Maxed out bunker bust and plasma bolt skill trees?

I know juggernaut is not perfect, long from it, but what can be done?



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:34:35)

Defensive.
Well to stop the builds I normally use my lv 1 malfunction to weaken them and I end up taking only a small amount of damage (unless it crits). But if I go 2nd to both of them and my health is 80 or below I heal.
Something to do is remove agility, most juggernauts have high health and lower levels low health. This would slightly decrease their defenses and raise ours.
You could remove the critical chance off bunker buster, but mercenaries are already weak enough.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:37:08)

Well, i just weaken my opponent 1st, i.e , remove energy(without energy, they are pretty much useless) ...and then let them attack ..once there energy is out, then starts my Game :D

I go for high defenses, with ok life, high defenses, helps me in normal strikes, but high defenses has a bad DISS, it lets your opponent rage faster :/



Oba -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:41:21)

I am pure defence in jugg [:)] 28-34+1+5+6 def, 30-36+1+5+6 res. And I think Im doing quite good in jugg. Got to 52 wins yesterday with a 100% winrate!



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:42:17)

I see where this thread is going and juggernaut is still too hard. The range needs to be 26-22 to be more reasonable.



King FrostLich -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:44:27)

I've got a tank massive heal loop build with a level 9 field medic. And I've had 22 wins with 100%.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:44:55)

@ Angels

26-22 :S , could you please explain it for lvl 33-34... like for now its, 25-29



Calogero -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:45:19)

please tell me you are joking...



Oba -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:47:29)

quote:

I see where this thread is going and juggernaut is still too hard. The range needs to be 26-22 to be more reasonable.


Your either trolling or you want a 200% winrate. I hope its the first!



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:48:07)

@angels
I would be for that if they knew how to play. The problem is not their level it is that the lower non variums can't save up credits, sometimes I get people with only their default weapon and a simple max plasmabolt/bunkerbuster/etc.
There really isn't a middle ground, at level 30 there is a huge jump in power and at 29 they are kind of weak.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:49:43)

@ soulprisnerx

What part of my post didn't you understand? Just lower the level of juggernaut.



Ranloth -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:51:17)

I thought this thread is to discuss people's strategies for Juggernaut and what they use, not begging for lower ranges.. :| I seen few people saying that it's too low now, but now you don't actually need class with passive Armor to play it which is good as I'm a TM. :P
My strategy is my Dex TM build, which is a Tank with 124 HP and 80ish Energy, but good damage output from weapons in case of EMP or cooldowns which get in the way. So I play defensively as you can see, which is better as going full offensive would cause you to die quickly with poor defences and maybe not even making up for the damage lost. :P



fightR -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:52:33)

@andy123 believe it or not it happens, not everyone is skilled at juggernaut as other or can afford the best weapons

guys stay on topic please :)



carabuno -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:54:58)

Im an offensive Jugger and most the time i win since the update i my win loose ratio has been better than 5/1



Calogero -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:57:30)

@ Fighter

I was talking about Angels Holocaust's post...
lvl 22 - 26... might aswell just put back the ' Leave ' button to save those low levels some time



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 11:58:30)

Well if they ever introduce 3v1 then maybe 26-22.



fightR -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:00:49)

@andy123 Sorry haha, i did not know it was directed at Angles because there was no @ or ^^ sign, so i thought it was directed at me



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:03:14)

guys, ignore anything Angels Holocaust says on Juggernaut, he was happiest when it was a guaranteed free win.


ON TOPIC
you can't go all out as a tank in Juggernaut, your enemy generates too much rage and negates any advantage you had, better to have decent defences and
140 health + a high level field medic, like 45+ health. that way you can debuff, heal and then build your own rage and pwn them. I am 149/10 since friday.



carabuno -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:11:24)

My jugg battles are also very fast 3 of my turns at best and 5 at worst



Promaster -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:22:52)

If you have trouble with your first turn, try having 125 or 124 health with high defenses and resistances. It helps.
I personally go hybrid, with 26-32-1+10(mineral armor) defense and 26-32-1+9 resistance, 82 str and level 5 heal. It works wonders, guarantee 100% win unless if you're really unlucky. I have a bot to debuff whenever im smoked or malfed just in case. Always remember boosters for really desperate moments. I think the range is just alright though.

@below:
Get used to him. It's his nature. No offense. :)



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:25:50)

@ PivotalDisorder

Wow! What a troll, we all have points to make in this game so why are you mad at me? I'm just offering my own point of view in this game, rather it be good or bad it doesn't give you the right to degrade my posts. All this is doing is making you look like a small person



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:38:58)

you are trolling though and you know it. I think they should ignore EVERYTHING you have to offer on Juggernauts until you stop trolling.

22-26 is balanced? blatant troll by a known biased troll who always trolls in favour of them getting 100% win ratio. I remember what you
said after that first week of Juggernaut, maybe other don't but I do. go ahead and report me though if you feel I am being unfair. might
amuse the staff to see the person who is being reported on a daily basis for trolling, reporting someone else for supposedly trolling them.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:49:12)

@ PivotalDisorder

I'm being judged badly because I don't agree with you? What else don't you like about me since your already bashing me in the face with rude comments? I come to post how I feel about juggernaut and you attack me, way to go and make yourself feel better.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:51:50)

@ angels

Yup, I got , wat. You were trying to say... But couldn't believe u asked for that lvl, as a matter of fact I don't mind having that lvl :D a free win is always appreciated ;)



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Defensive Juggernaut ever worth it? (5/13/2012 12:53:07)

@ soulprisnerx

That's what I like to see people enjoying this game.



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