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goldslayer1 -> Regarding Flag Changes (please read first paragraph) (6/15/2012 19:11:30)
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Before i start, i want tell you that there is no bias-ism here.
i would also would appreciate if the people replying weren't bashing my faction.
with that said, please post constructively, without flaming, and please, put some logic in your replies, as i do enjoy good debates.
first i would like to explain about my faction, and what we did.
in late novemeber of 2011 CAD had a flag, but we decided to drop it.
and save tokens for the future, which would be the upcoming summer now.
since then, we stopped donations and saved tokens. for the next 5 months, we had been playing at a semi active lvl (around 1500 daily) we saved all of the tokens since then. thus culminating into a large amount of tokens that is 200k tokens.
when we had the tokens, we had several choices on what to do.
take back 2 old flags which already had tokens in them (around 60k tokens combined)
we saw that other factions took those flags. we had the option of taking 2.
but we decided to dump it all into 1 and take 1 flag instead.
and so we decided to take 1 flag with a large amount of tokens.
the bigger upside to this is, we worked 5 months on saving. but the flag was only going to last us 4 months. (see the irony)
with this new update, that 4 months is cut into 2. which isn't fair compared to the amount of time invested.
The "new factions dont have a chance" arguement
first and foremost, i would like to explain, that no new faction thats a day old is meant to take a flag.
things like this take time. it took CAD a month and a half before we could take a flag. (and we were more than super active averaging 3600 wins a day in our first month, reaching 100k total wins in the first month.)
any new faction that does 1500 for 5 months, can save 200k tokens.
the argument that people make saying new factions dont have a chance, isn't fair, because if we hadn't saved tokens for 5 months, we probably wouldn't have had the chance of having a flag this big.
not to mention, no new factions is suppose to be as good as a veteran experience faction that has been year for years, thats been active, and made several all time boards. its just not possible. and shouldn't be. while i support equality.
i believe in fairness. and to me, that is having those new factions go thru the same hard work we had to go thru to get going, along with EVERY other faction in ED.
saying a new faction should compete with a faction that spent 5 months saving tokens for a flag, is like saying
a white belt that just entered karate should be put on the same skill lvl as black belts who been training for years.
before, in order for a new faction to get a flag, all they had to do was get 1200+ daily for a couple a months, and take a low tokened flag, (which i have seen as low as 24k recently)
now, they have to do 2400+
i just dont see how its fair for newer factions, OR current factions.
yesh i understood the arguement that this is for everyone, but that isn't the issue. thats not what im arguing, its beyond obvious this will affect everyone. im debating why its unfair with the reasoning behind it.
as for some who said that no one could take the flag with 200k tokens right now, of course u cant right now. but maybe u will be able to like we could take it, in 5 months.
it shames me to see that are bashing my faction when many dont understand the effort and dedication that active factions put into these things. a faction is a team, if u work as a team, anything can be accomplished.
CAD has been a big supporter in Faction Improvements, im sure those who are old forumers will remember some of the countless post me and several of the members have made towards improving factions. and i hope u all understand that we wouldn't have a problem with this, if it was an improvement.
i would appreciate if people didn't judge active factions, when they have not been in the trenches like we have, because its very easy to judge and say things when ur on the outside.
and remember, with time, effort, teamwork, and dedication. anything can be accomplished.
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