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SylvanElf -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 19:40:07)
In addition to what's already been said, I believe TMs have a survivability issue as the only class with neither Bloodlust nor a passive armor. And we get little in exchange.

Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 19:47:38)
Although I still think they are OP, wow... Rayman, it worked... against concntration, current 1v1 daily champ Ofcourse, his ratio isn't very good, he is still first I'll keep fighting, but judging alone from the fact that the first fight I was in, the guy was as STR BH, something should be done, just lower that a little It seems to be "today's main build" for the game, much like str BM used to be the most used

The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:06:03)
We'll thats fine but the blocking is quite ridiculos.

Rayman -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:21:16)
^ Can I Know, What's Your Dex and Tell me your def without passive armors and armors too.

rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:25:57)
IDK why, but I am finding Mercenary to be the MOST fun class with the MOST build options at the moment! :D

Rayman -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:27:57)
^ Cuz is the first time you use it at high lvls, always a new class is fun to use.

rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:36:42)
I actually changed my main into a merc. I am a level 35 Bunker Buster luck based merc now :3

The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:37:30)
My dex is 50 plus 36= 86 dex and I'm still blocking like crazy my defense is 26-32 plus 10, I'm a level 31 going on 32 tactical merc. Do you block much more if the oppenents higher level? Acutually I'm 31 and fighting 35 BH's so would that affect the advantage at all?

King Helios -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:52:19)
How would a Support Tactical Mercenary work in Juggernaut?

Rayman -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 20:57:37)
^ It Would Work Good But It Wont Give The Full Jugg Power Of TLM Class.

The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:02:28)
Do you block more if your opponents 4-5 higher levels higher than you and do less damage and get delt more damage if he's higher than you? And should you feel bad if your level 31 and lose to a level 35, how big of an advantage does he have.

King Helios -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:06:19)
RayMan, I was thinking that it could get very fast wins. Do you or anyone know a suitable build?

Bunshichi -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:20:58)
^ You can try high hp str tank

King Helios -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:40:39)
Meh. Infernal Interdictor + Jade Magnum / Dage Boomstick E + Serpent Striker + Mechachillid = o.o support!

Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:44:34)
Hi dragon, I saw you ingame Anyway The build is working well I've lost once in the last 20 fights, but of course, it was to a BH It does take thinking to beat them, and but it is still very brutal, thanks to their smoke+shadow art's, they have an annoyingly high block chance We should figure out a new passive to replace shadow arts that relies with less luck I know it has been sad before, but it will make BH less annoying, and remove the part where you lose because of 1 hit

Mr. Black OP -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 21:58:25)
quote: Reroute, no. Static Charge, maybe... I get quite a lot of Energy back. The most I regened is 24 EP (From 21 up to 45) with a 72 damage Critical Strike (16-20+35 primary), and I usually regen around 12-15 Energy without having a critical. I barely get 6. [:(]

The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:00:38)
Lol funnest thing ever so I'm 31 Tlm as you know, he's a 35 bounty hunter. 1. He smokes. 2. I double strike 3. He cheap shots and gets blocked. 4. I pistol him in the face. 6. He Masscres. 7. I frenzy agian, but get blocked, so things are pretty fair. 8. he attacks I'm not looking so good. 9. I heal. 10. He rage pistols me, but dosen't do too high 11. I rage double strike and that was the end of him. He was fully enchaned varuim too, but I still think there a tad OP.

Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:03:27)
quote: Reroute, no. Static Charge, maybe... I get quite a lot of Energy back. The most I regened is 24 EP (From 21 up to 45) with a 72 damage Critical Strike (16-20+35 primary), and I usually regen around 12-15 Energy without having a critical. How the hell can you get 72 damage with range of 51-55? Crits and Rage allows you to ignore defences which makes you deal more damage but it does NOT raise it above the possible range. <_< >_>

Mr. Black OP -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:05:27)
^ Also 72 x .30= 21.6 which rounds to 22.

Rayman -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:07:23)
with 72 dmg u Regain 22 Energy not 24.

Wraith -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:21:15)
RayMan I PMed you :o And as for balance...(just to not be offtopic)... BM is definitely OP. Deadly Aim + Bludgeon is TOO MUCH. A turn wasted with EMP is a turn that you lose 40 health in. This is just like teh old Stun-Zerk Mercs from the good ol' Gamma Days. Gamma was well balanced IMO, but with 6 classes -- I can understand how balancing can be difficult.

Mother1 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:30:26)
At Trans I did see someone get a 69 when the crit with the war weapon a few duels back. However this person did have negative resistance (Due to being malfed and having over 180 health) And the person who did this had high strength. But yeah that is the only way that could happen now but at least that energy gain was justified.

Rayman -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:30:38)
^^yup Lol.

D.v.D. -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/29/2012 22:35:32)
Okay, so far what we have came up with ( in this and page 24 ) are: - bm finds bh op - ch finds bm op - some build advice that don't appear often in balance discussion - block complain

Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XI (9/30/2012 2:13:58)
Got an idea For the str bounty hunter problem, without affecting cyber hunter Make Blood Lust not be affected by massacre or vice versa How would this be? Small nerf, but it's about a 15-30 health difference removed from only str abuse BH Let's face it, doing 70 damage minimum with the debuff in a turn without rage itself is a bonus

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