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gangster a -> masscre (11/7/2012 3:25:06)

since people keep saying this skill is op beacuse you get rage after that i would like to say once you have masscre you dont get rage until the next turn so its just an idea what do you think?
please no flaming and i would like to know why if not supported or supported

BTW i am BH so im not doing this to suit myself



zion -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 3:29:57)

Its just too strong - and since its based on weapon damage, it gets stronger each level even without training STR... maybe mass should go back to the old system of boosting final damage?



gangster a -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 3:31:28)

^ or maybe once you use it the sidearm and bazooka have a reduced damage



Wrathchild -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 10:39:42)

A cool way to stop is just simple lower % damage, cause its pretty high, also it could be blocked, which could really screw it...



zion -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 10:52:58)

Yes, the simplest solution would be reducing the % damage... Maybe build from 55% (lvl 1) to 100% (max)



Mother1 -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 11:51:12)

Massacre has no secondary effect like surgical strike and supercharge.

Supercharge ignore 20% resist, and give back 30% of the damage back to the user.
Surgical strike give back 30% of damage done back to the user and steals rage.
Massacre no effect just does damage.

Plus to be honest the only reason why I have seen players complain about this is because strength BH who abuse this move along with it stacking with blood lust. While some solutions have been brought up to deal with this, many of them leave out the real problem which is strength itself. Nerfing a skill will affect all classes and builds that work with it not just the targeted build. If you were to nerf this move without taking care of the real problem the only thing you will succeed at is weakening the other builds while the targeted build will still benefit from the move more then the others not to mention you will make it much harder for those other builds to fight off other builds since they took a nerf.

What I am saying is nerf the strength stat first. This way you won't be harming the other builds that aren't abusing massacre and it is purely targeted at the group you are trying to balance. Then if the move is too powerful that is when you nerf it.

@ gangsta a

Everyone says that, but to be honest with you, as a TM after I use supercharge and it is my turn again I always have rage (unless I am hit with chairman's fury or surgical strike draining my rage) so does this make focus 5 TM's OP because they can get rage after their ultimate move just like BH do with massacre?



legend tech212 -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 13:10:59)

@mother1 like you said the main problem is str.

Massacre was already lowered form 90% to 50% for people complaining it was op now 40% lowered and you are still complaining.

If they should nerf anything it should be str.



Assassin01 -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 13:41:34)

I'm a TM,but I harbor no hate for massacre,it's strong yes but beating someone who has it maxed isn't impossible.These are the words of a non varium player with a not so high win rate btw.



robo90925 -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 15:56:36)

Massacre isn't affected by strength that much, you can have a 10-12+35 doing 40 dmg on you easily. Nerfing strength, unless done properly is going to ruin alot of non strength builds.

@Legend: Yes it has been lowered, but people just run level 5 massacre which is 94% which is still OP



Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 17:35:18)

Then they would rage before massacring



arthropleura -> RE: masscre (11/7/2012 23:44:00)

I don't see how str is the problem. the combination of an armor debuff and bloodlust itself was unique. THEN they decided to put a final move on that could potentially attack the debuffed armor.
thats the problem...



Mother1 -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 1:23:27)

@ Arthroplura

If that is the case what about TM? They can debuff an opponents armor and use an final skill that attack said debuffed armor as well. The same could be said with CH since all they need is an energy primary and the use of malf.




gangster a -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 4:29:32)

^ well then change the masscre requirements to tech since bh dont use that stat often and as for 5 focus just reduce reflex boost and energy shield since they are what makes it tough.



Mother1 -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 4:46:04)

At Gansta a

NO 1000 time No.

Doing this would give them an even more OP build to work with. I say this because smoke already works with tech and with a tech spammer they would have a field day with this one. They would have Smoke EMP and massacre.

First they would smoke you to remove 40-50 dex if they spammed tech enough. With 10-13 defense points gone because of this they are free to hit you with physical attacks that you have less chance of blocking, Drain a huge amount of energy from you with an EMP (since this works with tech as well) then finally use a super charged massacre that will be not only powerful because of tech, but will hurt even more since they have very low dex.

Any BH with physical claws will abuse this to the max and this will create a new breed of OP BH.



gangster a -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 4:57:50)

^ i forgot about smoke e.e



rayniedays56 -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 5:09:31)

I agree with mother1 here :)


I had Crystal Armblades, Dark Varium Blaster and Cupids Sorrow with my Tech Abusive BH. I could minus 62 dexterity at MAX with my BH. Drain 53 EP at level 6 *drools*



gangster a -> RE: masscre (11/8/2012 5:24:50)

^ that would have had a powerful effect im waiting on some more comments before i reply



robo90925 -> RE: masscre (11/9/2012 2:25:10)

Just my post from other "BH is OP (proof inside)"

Hmm.... guess what. I was versing a BH today in 1v1. I looked at her stats. Hmm... not fully enhance, not strength build; i think i can beat her. Well.... no. I go her down to 30 HP. Massacre me, healed 15 hp, i healed and then she raged! Another 10 hp now she is on 67 HP, im on 24. Killed me next turn!!! My Defence matrix was 21, strike on did 7 dmg on me. She still won and not even strength build!!!! Massacre itself is still OP, ecspecially with Blood Lust!!!



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