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Frozentaco -> tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 3:55:52)

I used a heal loop focus build as a tac merc. And at lvl. 33 i lost 2 times out of 100. When you throw in boosters it is sad... you get 2 huge heals and 2 massive infernal rages at least, doing anywhere from 50 to 70 damage with the right equipment. I have switched my build because this took all the fun right out of the game. This NEEDS to be dealt with before the game starts losing players...



RageSoul -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 3:59:03)

Yeah , i agree on this , but mind you , TLM isn't the only class that can abuse it .



Crimson Eagle -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 4:05:08)

Literally every class can abuse this bot!
I myself use a 5 Focus BH, they are quite deadly!
But I don't think the Infernal Android needs a nerf... It's fine the way it is, no one has a disadvantage!
About 85-90% of players 30-35 use and abuse this bot!



Mother1 -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 4:17:29)

Many people have been coming up with nerfs ideas for this bot even thought it has already had two.

Some said the bot needs a reset after the special has been used that won't start again until the bot special is out of cooldown.
Another said reducing it's max power once again.
And the most extreme idea I heard so far is make the bot reset itself no matter attack it is using.

Also I use a level 5 focus build yet I don't use this bot unless I am doing boss fights since it doesn't work with my build. I can beat these infernal android users and sometimes I lose to them.



RageSoul -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 4:43:19)

Adding to what Mother1 said , you need to be tank-y to make IA builds effective . Otherwise , it's worse than Caster .



Metallico -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 13:44:38)

Tactical mercenary is actually the best class for do a focus builds, they are focused on technology so their robots are the most devastating in the game, healing loop builds and poison, are a good class for who knows how to use it...

But actually every class can abuse of this bot so i donīt support your idea a focus bounty hunter can also be deadly with this bot, blocks and deflections + blood lust...

Just do a build for beat them, i have beaten some focus tactical mercenaries



Frozentaco -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 14:04:47)

all of you make a valid point, i guess tac merc is just where i notice it beong abused most. I've been a player since beta and i stopped playing for a while. It was sad to come back and see the ed world ruled by infernal noobs. The focus build has become the most popular build in the game. How hard is it to put 45 on each and spend all your money on tech enhancements? It's pretty bad when i get bored of squishing people and find more interest in a boring old str merc build! :o



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 17:49:28)

@above calling people noob doesn't make you any better than them, and no strength build still rules 80% of the game and it is difficult for 5 focus builds to deal with them when no blocks or deflections are included. seriously focus tactical merc are not op with infernal, if you guys cant defeat them its because you are not using the right build. just because you can't win that doesnt mean that they are op.



Stabilis -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 18:15:28)

^

I do not even fight Infernal Android users and they have damage that is far beyond the world record before they were even introduced.

I said before, that the laser was as damaging as Maxaccre. And here is why:

Consider the base damage. A Primary weapon is currently 35 damage for level 35. The highest base for Focus is 30 damage (45 per stat). You may think here, "well Strength already beats Focus in base damage, how can Infernal Laser possibly top Maxaccre?!". However, you must add the base Robot damage to the base Focus damage. For Infernal Android, the base damage is now a minimum of 40-44. The base damage from Strength is a minimum of 4-5, but let us be generous and say 5-6.

Minimum Primary Damage:

40-41

Minimum Robot Damage:

40-44

The Robot has a small advantage over a Primary, almost equal. Strength is faster in progressing than Robot Technology Bonus however. So over time, the Primary wins in damage.

But since the 2 are relatively close, let us use an example. At 60 damage, which is completely possible for Strike or Robot Strike to be... Massacre, I mean Maxaccre, is 1.4 * 60. Infernal Laser is 1.4 * 60. Now imagine Maxaccre being used every 4 turns without an energy cost. Deflectability (uncertainty factor), is the only drawback. No Support requirement either, but with Focus it does not matter.



Rayman -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 20:54:43)

Trizz:
TLM Is the class that gets to use the infernal bot better since they can get to use a lvl 7 heal 2-3 times and 2 HP boost + taking your energy and simply using all the enhancements to tech because the bot is unblockable (the dont need dex), they abuse tech to get high dmg of the bot, so basically is a free hit since it doesn't get's blocked.

So when we nerfed support we didn't get to do anything, Cuz first Support was OP cuz the high aux dmg every 3 turns and since support inproved deflect the supp users had a free unblockable Attack called aux. And now we are on the same situation again, they abuse tech and use the bot and they don't even get deflected thanks to the tech abuse and tech inproving deflect.
They just maked the situation worst. ( So what's the point now on 5 Focus Dex when you cannot even block the bot cuz is unblockable? And when you use it vs a tech 5 focus it gets deflected )



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/25/2012 21:40:37)

trust me even if they abuse tech, as long as you have decent tech you won't even be deflected as much. and their weakness is physical damage, so they are vunerable with massacre(physical wrist blade equipped), bludgeon, physical gun, phisical aux, platinum's pride, physical bot, bunker buster, beserker(physical weapon equipped) double strike(physical weapon equipped) and cheap shot(physical weapon equipped). they got alot of disadvantages if you ask me.



King FrostLich -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 2:02:44)

I myself as a 5 focus BM with infernal android can stop 5 focus TLM with ease though it takes a little luck to do though.



Mother1 -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 2:07:16)

As for the them being unstoppable no they aren't. I have fought my fair share of these builds and even without the using the infernal android I can still beat them sometimes but not all the time. It all depends on how the duel plays out.




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 2:13:13)

5 focus tactical mercenary with infernal android is not OP at all, seriously. i manage to defeat them with most builds.



Stabilis -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 11:55:18)

They are not overpowered at all, but the numbers on that Infernal Laser per turn is ridiculous. Not even including the numbers in 1 turn.



STRUT MY MUTT -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 16:26:28)


I agree TLM is a powerful, but not overpowered.


quote:

I myself as a 5 focus BM with infernal android can stop 5 focus TLM with ease though it takes a little luck to do though.


Wait a second...which one is it? It can't be both easy and tough, but you beat them by luck. [8|]



Exploding Penguin -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/26/2012 18:31:43)

TLM's heal looping can easily be stopped with a couple strong energy removals. Also, given certain build types, TLMs can acquire more damage than they can heal within time, unless they're using boosters. Pretty much the main reason why I think boosters are broken and should only be used for NPCs...
TLM definitely isn't overpowered, but it can be annoying with boosters. Lots of people, however, forget the fact that passive armors can actually be ignored by crits or rage... I'm not sure which one it was. If people utilized this knowledge, TLM probably wouldn't seem nearly as powerful as it is right now.



gangster a -> RE: tac merc+infernal is unstoppable (11/27/2012 3:48:44)

^ actually not if you decide to say use a debuffing method that will constantly cause them to defend themselves you might have a chance of winning



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