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FrostWolv -> Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 3:14:42)

Well I know many people have posted and complained about copy build system in ED.
To be more specific one looks at other build and as he comes to know that his opp/allies build can gives higher % of win ratio ... he copies it.

Copying other player's Build was not 100% possible before because of certain weapons requirements and some rare weapons ... which made many people unable to acquire 100% copy and paste of other players build


So what happens in Omega ??

All weapons: stats and damage will be same
Even people can acquire certain passives in their weapons

So in the end for better win ratio Anyone can 100% copy the build of other player ..... and this is where many will lose Diversity in Gameplay only because of Copy and Paste

Discuss :

what are your views for this Copy Build system?
Do you want the "Stats and skills" button to be locked ?



skeletondude -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 3:21:11)

Well this topic has been brought up many times, but there somethings that can't be stopped such as the Copying builds.
Locking up stats and skills would be hard for players to defeat other players since some sort of strategy would be needed in order to defeat them.



Mother1 -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 3:21:22)

Ok it still won't be 100% copy due to the pay people will have their stats. However until people can get over the fact of "I don't like fighting blind" or the need for people who can't come with a good build to use someone else's to get a good one copy building will never die.




i like bounty hunter -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 5:18:12)

I Think The Copy Build Idea Is A Great Idea
Sure There Are Many Con's But There Are Pro's Also
Like This Would Help New People Who Just Started,People Wont Be Lose So Much And Quit The Game Cuz Of Their Loss Is More Than Wins
It Would Help New Player's When Fighting NPC's Cuz Currently Trying To Kill City Guard With Merc Is Hard (Correct Me If I Am Wrong)



RageSoul -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 5:25:23)

My views about this "allow-everyone-to-see-build" system is pretty crappy TBH . I mean , come on , very experienced players get their benefit of getting high wins shared by either swearers or other people they don't want their build to share with ?



Ranloth -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 6:51:19)

There will be some exclusive items that they may not be able to get or certain ability that's rare and aids your build. For example, you may own Azrael Borg or one of the Yetis (one is perma, other is seasonal) and they may not own neither of them so their strategy will be lacking. Or weapon abilities which will be changing; many new ones but those exclusive *such as Spreadfire* will stay to their respectable weapons so another bunch of players will miss out.

So whilst they *may* get your build, they won't get your items, strategy nor special abilities.



Remorse -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 11:25:29)

Here is my two cents,


Diversity is lost now more then ever because of what I like to call "Power Builds", these are basically builds designed for quick wins and despite their effectiveness back in beta these days power builds are so strong that you cant even afford to waste the turn shielding or energy draining them...

As a follow up, people either go tanks or an equally powerful builds which usually consists of STR builds and sometimes caster builds, simply to have a chance in battle.
It seems as though they are copying, when in actual fact its a follow up of balance being so screwed the variety pool is lowered to a small amount of builds that stand a chance against the uncounterable power.


I believe that the fuel for the extra power came from enhancements, this made it so STR power builds for example could spam STR yet not sacrifice much in defences, nor HP making these builds basically uncountable without luck especially if you dont start.


Since as raablefroth has stated, stat amount will be lower by around 1/3rd of what they currently are, this means in order to gain the high power of today's builds you would have to sacrifice HP, defenses etc. making these builds counter-able Plus allowing builds that would attempt to shield or mana drain to counter a chance without losing so much damage and rage gain ground.



SO basically what Im saying is in omega variety should increase massively and therefore people wont be as limited to a small selection of builds that stand a chance and therefore wont be accused of coping when really no one is copying, people are simply going builds they have to to win and these days its the obvious effortless power builds.

But omega should change this.

Just you wait! ;)

-Remorse Less.



Hard boy -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 19:55:41)

wait a sec. the amount of stats would be reduced too? in addition to hp increasing by 1 point?
isnt that too much? ummm the whole game is changing, its not ED anymore.



Xendran -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 20:02:27)

quote:

ummm the whole game is changing, its not ED anymore.


Good, becfause ED in its current state is awful.



Hard boy -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 20:28:21)

i didnt mean the current ED
i mean the ED where we could have 100+ hp, while maintaining average defenses, there was a way to fix things, meaning the game wasnt too damaged, but now since the whole style is changing, all the arguments on this forum are invalid.



Midnightsoul -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/1/2013 23:18:50)

Well, it may be true builds can be 100% copied, sometimes they can't in Omega because if u look at the vids, they said u can't move more than 40% of a stat into another one...something like that.



Giras Wolfe -> RE: Omega with its Copy Builds (1/2/2013 10:55:13)

Lol, Xendran. :P

If players want to copy your build, be flattered. If you want to annoy them, get a build with a convoluted strategy so they will not know how to use it once they have it.

Besides, 50 bucks says it'll cost like 200,000 credits or 1500 varium to re-enhance a single item exactly the way you want it, so its not going to be quite that easy to match someone else's build 100%.

I think most of the players worth fighting would be more interested in developing their own strategy. Build copiers can be beaten with experience.

I am looking forward to being able to change the base stats of items, because items like the delta claws are fabulous weapons with great artwork, but an atrocious stat spread.

I still hold that the price of changing base stats will most likely be prohibitive to rampant exploitation, but will rather be handy for tweaking a favorite weapon, or making a "classic" item like the Alpha Blaster or Perferator Claws useful again for old times sake.

Just like with the ability to change classes, it will in a way encourage exploiting overpowered builds, but its simply a feature we need to have whether or not it brings up some abuse issues. I think we'll have the same situation with custom weapons.

But really this is all speculation, until the feature and its details are released we can't really conclusively decided if it's a good idea. I, for one, am optimistic.

~Gir



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