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Cyber Dream -> Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:06:17)

1. Without enhancements I know i'll suck lol 2. Its gonna be the death of juggs(thts all i do) 3. There has been no reference to dragonballz yet in ed (0.o) lol i got a little childish right there but seriously though the only reason i might quit is if jugg isnt tweaked a little bit so that the jugg isnt as equal as the opponent. IF jugg is revised then i'll the happiest man on mars. Without enhancements i see no point in jugg just take it out and give ua a cheevo.(was supposed to post this somewhere else) BUT BACK on topic do you think the removing of enhancements is gonna kill the jugg mode....i mean come on it was based ON SKILL. Is it going to be in favor of the little people we k.o?(thts jugg talk)



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:09:44)

Don't be sad that it's over, smile cause it happened.

[:D]



JariTheMighty -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:10:06)

At least there will no more be level 30 Varium players that have more stat bonuses than the level 35 non varium Juggernaut.



Remorse -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:10:20)

Is it honestly that hard to picture the obvious fact that the devs will lower the level range to fit the battle mode without enhancements?


Have faith in the obvious balance issues that should be fixed as omega is released or soon after.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:12:31)

lol angel🙈im gonna pretend like i didnt read that....u wouldnt understand the meaning of jugg to me, its a man thing.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:15:58)

Ok you guys WHAT IF jugg stayed the same upon the omega release? I would oooohhooooo i dont even wanna talk about this anymore💤



Fortitudo -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:28:22)

I would be like oooohhooooo I can press the 2v2 button again.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 2:59:33)

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Don't be sad that it's over, smile cause it happened.


That fact is, you don't care about anything, so your suggestions don't really concern me ...


All i hope is that Dev's(Practel, Lycus) don't wait for any kind of testing in Omega relating to Juggs, its obvious to decrease the level range...



Cyber Dream -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 5:23:12)

opps



LatinLover/Martini -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 8:35:30)

The easiest way to kill a juggernaut is the special ability of a yeti...



Stabilis -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 8:45:22)

Cyber,

Soul was responding to Angels.


I do not measure enhancements and skill on the same scale. If anything enhancements took away from skill.



Death Jr -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 11:47:00)

Actually the jug system will actually be for real jugs. Jugg was way to easy but now it will be officially for hardcore players with extreme skill.



the final hour -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 12:17:14)

is juggernaut really getting screwed though the more i think about it its not just the juggernaut getting weakened in omega the lower levels are too especially if they had enhancements . and more so i think the change to health and energy is going to hurt them alot more .



Vorctic -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 15:19:06)

I agree with Death Jr.
I don't understand how this is the death of jug, more like the start of real juggs.
I shouldn't be seeing them with 2000 wins and 50 losses. That's not fun or fair.
So now all of these juggs are complaining how now the other team will actually have a chance against them and their win loss ratios won't be 95%+.



Mother1 -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 15:43:08)

@ vorctic

Players actually stand a chance against jugs now if they think correctly. Think about it. Most players I come across in jug fights don't have the stuff they should use to survive. Here are the complaints I hear about it.

C1) Jugs use boosters when they are about to die it isn't fair.
A) So use boosters yourself no one is stopping you currently not the jug. By not using them you are limiting yourself in fights.

C2) I am under equipped and I keep getting pulled into jug fight it isn't fair
A) You know you there is the possibly of you being pulled into a jug fight yet you are doing 2 vs 2 knowing this risk. If you don't want to run into jugs do 1 vs 1 until you have enough credits to get gear. This is also no fault of the jug in anyway.

C3) No matter what I do unless I have extreme luck on my side I can't win it isn't fair
A) A jug isn't a regular player and when you face a jug instead of going at it brainlessly find out what your partner can do and try to work with them. While it isn't always granteed that you will win (since luck works on both sides) you will have a much better chance of survival.

C4) Why can't we choose when we fight jugs? it isn't fair that they force us to fight jugs, and I don't want to have to do 1 vs 1 to avoid them.
A) Now we all know a jug button for the regular players would be the true death of Jug mode. No one would ever use this button since it would be their way out of fighting jugs, and those who would use it would make anti jug builds 100% of the time. While many say what is the issue with this, it would make jug fights more challenging, it would be an unfair advantage on the jug's opponents side. Jugs while they know they will face 2 opponents don't know what their opponents will have, however if this came into play the opponents will know they are facing a jug and most jugs if not all of them are tanks. As for the second part they you will have to deal with that risk if you don't want to do 1 vs 1 to avoid them.



the final hour -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 15:54:03)

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Players actually stand a chance against jugs now if they think correctly. Think about it. Most players I come across in jug fights don't have the stuff they should use to survive. Here are the complaints I hear about it.



in omega maybe now no or tell that to my record if u think they do.

quote:

C1) Jugs use boosters when they are about to die it isn't fair.
A) So use boosters yourself no one is stopping you currently not the jug. By not using them you are limiting yourself in fights.



this is ridicolous ive heard em saying it ofcourse its fair who in their right mind is going to die instead of saving them selves with a booster if they have one . they shod bring boosters . however in most cases when theyve boosted against me on my jugger theyve still died . so doesnt solve the problem .

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C3) No matter what I do unless I have extreme luck on my side I can't win it isn't fair
A) A jug isn't a regular player and when you face a jug instead of going at it brainlessly find out what your partner can do and try to work with them. While it isn't always granteed that you will win (since luck works on both sides) you will have a much better chance of survival.



they do need luck to win its ridicolously unfair on them even using a rlly smart stratergie healing and boosting the odds of them winning are still against them .As things stand now.

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C4) Why can't we choose when we fight jugs? it isn't fair that they force us to fight jugs, and I don't want to have to do 1 vs 1 to avoid them.
A) Now we all know a jug button for the regular players would be the true death of Jug mode. No one would ever use this button since it would be their way out of fighting jugs, and those who would use it would make anti jug builds 100% of the time. While many say what is the issue with this, it would make jug fights more challenging, it would be an unfair advantage on the jug's opponents side. Jugs while they know they will face 2 opponents don't know what their opponents will have, however if this came into play the opponents will know they are facing a jug and most jugs if not all of them are tanks. As for the second part they you will have to deal with that risk if you don't want to do 1 vs 1 to avoid them.


unless jugger is made much harder for the jugg which it might be in omega . their should absolutely be a button put their whether it kills the mode or not . the sheep have been forced to march blindly into the slaughter house for too long now.






Cyber Dream -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 17:25:22)

@soul lol srry bout that man.....i was kinda up last night so i wasnt right. but back on topic. Just think about this, enhancements were the only thing helping us juggs wins, and since they are leaving the jugg mode is gonna be based on luck, not skill. We barley beating our opponets now.



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 17:28:25)

Everything ends one way or the other. Just play a new mode or quit. Those are the options that the players have now.



Cyber Dream -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 17:37:38)

Everything ends one way or the other. Just play a new mode or quit. Those are the options that the players have now.
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Angel this isnt the end of juggs......and im pretty sure the deva wouldnt want players quitting because their favorite game mode is gonna be unbalanced. Maybe we dont wanna play a new game mode.



Lycan. -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 17:43:23)

@Angels
quote:

Everything ends one way or the other.

Maybe not.
They are trying to make Juggernaut balanced so the Juggernaut doesnt get 98%+ win rate so it becomes more of a balanced mode than punch bags for the team.
Even if it becomes unbalanced, they will balance it out in the future.



Mother1 -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 18:10:22)

@ the final hour

And how would adding a button to allow player to choose when they fight jugs (which we all know will be never unless they have a build to destroy jugs) be fair to those who brought the Skull cards? Remember unlike 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 people had to pay for play this battle mode either with Varium (the gold skull card which is with real money) or time in game (Silver skull card).



the final hour -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 19:55:00)

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And how would adding a button to allow player to choose when they fight jugs (which we all know will be never unless they have a build to destroy jugs) be fair to those who brought the Skull cards? Remember unlike 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 people had to pay for play this battle mode either with Varium (the gold skull card which is with real money) or time in game (Silver skull card).


I bought the gold skull card and you know just in the first few days i got my moneys worth god then it even easier then it is now . and it needs to get far harder most probably wodnt click and tbh they shodnt . its a flawed argument entirely . 1v1 you choose to play 2v2 you choose to play u choose 2 npc but juggernaut is the only mode that is forced upon people . thats the only unfair thing here.people have modes they prefer to play in. urgo they CHOOSE to play in said mode. games r SUPPOSED to be FUN . what kind of game forces some1 to play a mode they may have no desire to play that isnt fun . thats the issue here.



sky222 -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 19:59:07)

quote:

C1) Jugs use boosters when they are about to die it isn't fair.
A) So use boosters yourself no one is stopping you currently not the jug. By not using them you are limiting yourself in fights.


By using them I was limiting myself in future battles
So what to do?



Mother1 -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 20:12:48)

@ the final hour

Do you remember what happened when 2 full powered varium players went against a fully powered varium jug or even a non varium jug? Answer the players clobbered the jug and as a result they had to change things so the jug wouldn't get hammered by these. So it isn't just changes on the ends of the opponents but the jug as well, and everyone knows that if you give the regular player a button to choose to do so Jugs would face these kinds of players 100% of the time when they do get opponents.

So while I agree it needs to be harder for the fairness of regular players because I too like to be challenged, me and many other players who are jugs don't want it to the point where we aren't getting opponents because most don't want to play, and when we do get them they are opening a can on us every single time either because they have builds that will destroy the jugs 100% of the time.



the final hour -> RE: Death of juggernaut (1/25/2013 20:28:49)

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Do you remember what happened when 2 full powered varium players went against a fully powered varium jug or even a non varium jug


2 none varium challengers in jugg is virtually unheard of ill grant you your pretty mucdh screwed if u get 2 more so if ur none varium . that said ive come up against 1 full var one none var b4 today tbh i dnt rlly struggle to kill them their more difficult but easily killable. so i dont except that argument.

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and everyone knows that if you give the regular player a button to choose to do so Jugs would face these kinds of players 100% of the time when they do get opponents.

and on a side note i have many alts some high some low and i can tell you this i havent played one in the 24-30 range since about a month after the jugger release , the jugger mode is not healthy for ED as it stands the varium i would of spent on all thoose alts theyd of made alot of money . how many others are thinking like me


good its the way it should be see the main reason i find your argument flawed NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO DO SOMETHING THEY DNT WANT TO DO IN A GAME. sorry for the caps just wanted to make sure that wasnt missed. what kind of game forces people . and another point some 2v2 builds would be less effective in jugger and some jugger builds would be less effective in 2v2 . so how do they know which one their going to end up in .

1) the fact they're being forced into something they dont want to do in a game is unfair
2) the fact the chances of them winning is virtually 0 is unfair
3) even if they try to prepare they dnt know where their going to end up i would argue 2v2 and jugger are 2 completely different things and require 2 completely different builds to be the strongest you can be in each mode , how can they do that when they dont know which mode their going to be in . a jugger knows which mode hes going to be in and is completely prepared.

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So while I agree it needs to be harder for the fairness of regular players because I too like to be challenged, me and many other players who are jugs don't want it to the point where we aren't getting opponents because most don't want to play, and when we do get them they are opening a can on us every single time either because they have builds that will destroy the jugs 100% of the time.


well i disagree here and find it kinda unreasonable why should they be forced to be owned thats all it is just suicide for them theirs no fun in that . Its epic duel sending out a message you've got to level 26 you cant click 2v2 anymore please rage quit and never come back .

and on a side note i have many alts some low some above 30 and ill tell you something when jugger was released abt two weeks after i never played a character between 24 - 30 and i never have since and they were all varium spent alot of $$ on them . and would of spent alot more. how many others will think like that. its not healthy for ED the jugger mode the way it is



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