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Remorse -> Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:28:09)

Why was it that they changed deflection chance to technology???


Ever since robots were given to technology, the stat has been perfectly fine, if not one of the best stats in the game.


Now any tank who spams tech gets the added bonus of hardly ever having their extremely powerful robot deflected.


Plus why take something from support???


The stat was already weak from the heal nerf from support.

I think for support to become better again it needs both the deflection rate back as well as the heal improving effect. ( The heal improving effect has already been confirmed to return to support)

After those changes IMO all stats would be fairly equal.



What do you guys think?

Plus if anyone knows what was the actual reason they switched deflect chance to support.
But please don't tell me it was because tech needed a buff, if it was then perhaps they need more opinion put into the balance team before they change things...



theholyfighter -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:29:37)

Because
1. At that time Support improved Field Medic
2. Technology at that time only increases Resistance and improves skills.

And take a look at this:

Before Deflection is affected by Technology:
quote:

Dex: Block Chance
Tech: X
Support: Critical Chance/Deflection

When Deflection is affected by Technology:
quote:

Dex; Block Chance
Tech: Deflection Chance
Support: Critical Chance



Remorse -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:31:07)

^ Wrong, actually Im 95% sure robots were already out at that current time.
And Im about 80% sure heal didn't improve with anything as well when they changed deflection from support to tech.

Perhaps it was because robot specials got blocked not deflected.

Now that they can get deflected I think support should claim back deflection rate.


My point of view.
BEFORE:


STR: Primary and side arm (2 big things)
Dex: Block and defense ( 2 big things)
Tech: Resistance and robot damage (2 big things)
Support: Cirt, deflect, start, stun and aux (1 big thing and 4 smaller things)

AFTER:
Tech: 2 big things 1 little
Support: 1 big 3 little.



theholyfighter -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:35:47)

Robots increasing with technology means that technology only affects Focus Builds.

While Block Chance, Deflection Chance, and Critical Chance influence ALL kinds of builds.

On the other hand, I think it has already been said that Field Medic will be improved by support again.



Remorse -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:40:49)

^ Not all kind of builds use blockables.

Not all kind of builds use STR based attacks.



Tech is still perfectly fine without deflection chance on top of it making tanks OP IMO.


Plus 5 focus arn't the only builds that benefit.


4 focus builds are still a viable option for a decent robot, especially if you have decent tech, and these days most builds get pretty close to having 4 focus at least.



Mother1 -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:44:16)

Remorse

Support will get back field medic it has been said quite a few times, Plus support already has the following

1 increase change to go first
2 less likely to get stunned
3 increase rage gain
4 aux damage
5 powers up certain skills
6 increases your chance to crit

Technology has this

1 increases robot damage (but even with this without focus that is still not much)
2 increase resistance to energy attacks
3 powers up some skills
4 deflection rate.

So as it stands right now support already has more things going for it then technology does even with deflections on technology. Also with field medic coming back to it? It would be too much to give it back to support.



Remorse -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 7:47:14)

^ Its what they had originally,

Plus the amount of things is nothing, its the effect overall.

And as it was both and tech and support were fine at the time before the change.

Even before they changed the field medic to improve with nothing.




Mother1 -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 8:01:35)

@ remorse

I have to ask if they were fine as they were why did they change it? Change only happens when something isn't right. I remember support getting a massive nerf because it was overly abused by merc's Tech mages, and heal was extremely OP back then so something isn't adding up.

Because if everything was fine would field medic be improving with nothing? I think not it would still have support instead of just getting it back. The DSF on support wouldn't be their either if support was ok in the beginning. Heal would only have a 3 turn cool down like it originally had as well. Lastly you wouldn't even need to be requesting this because they would have never move deflection to support if it wasn't OP and tech was underpowered.



theholyfighter -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 8:24:00)

quote:

Before Deflection is affected by Technology:
quote:

Dex: Block Chance
Tech: X
Support: Critical Chance/Deflection



When Deflection is affected by Technology:
quote:

Dex; Block Chance
Tech: Deflection Chance
Support: Critical Chance



Remorse -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 8:24:37)

Well I guess I could accept just the heal back to support.



But as it is now, tech is OP compared to support.


My thinking was two birds with one stone if they switched deflect back.


But I will be happy if they hurry up and do something to buff support sooner rather then later.



theholyfighter -> RE: Deflect chance back to support! (2/2/2013 8:38:24)

quote:


But as it is now, tech is OP compared to support.

In what way is it Oped? I don't quite understand. Can you give me a few examples?

quote:


My thinking was two birds with one stone if they switched deflect back.

Um....how so? I don't understand how it'd be...



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