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Faisal1234567890 -> Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 21:08:57)

after the energy gain of static reduced cyber hunters became weak. so i think there should be a new skill like cyber massacre which can 25% resistance and gains 25 % or 30 % heal

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VanitySixx -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 21:13:24)

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Cyber Hunter's Malfunction skill is about 150% stronger than Smoke if upgraded correctly. Cyber Hunters keep using their classes like a Bounty Hunter would...Strength and Massacre. But I've seen very very veyr few Cyber Hunters with amazing Support Builds.

You guys have Defense Matrix, Malfunction, and can get a hold of some powerful auxes. Gotta be a bit more creative sometimes :P



King FrostLich -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 21:19:39)

I am a Cyber Hunter and I find myself slightly weaker than other classes but when I face tank tact mercs, it just needs some strategy to take them down including strength BM's.



Mother1 -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 21:47:48)

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Vanitysixx brings up a very good point with the cyber hunter support build. It is one of best builds I have seen with Cyber hunter and it works with a stat that has been nerfed into the ground. I have even seen a focus Cyber hunter do decent as well. you need to think outside the box with this class.



willendorf -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 22:46:01)

@^ The problem is that whenever you ask for a CH build you get a str/mass build.



theholyfighter -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/4/2013 22:55:37)

I'm currently using a support build, and it sux...
Due to the Static nerf, a str build is the only option to gain energy enough for just a lvl 1~3 Field Medic.



the final hour -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 0:20:33)

^i got utterly mauled by a support CH on my tank tlm 5 focus my bloodshield was pretty worthless after the malf my bot was debuffed . he beat me (the crit fairy did help him abit 2 crits) but the build was sound on his part and honestly he deserved to win that 1 . and ive seen some pretty smart strengh builds not to mention i rolled a pretty succesful 5 focus CH tank build awhile bk after the nerf it wasnt as good as the other options but it certainly wasnt weak , ches r not weak

@holy he was var. but so am i so we were on even footing and he won .
no non var should expect to have a decent chance of killing a var not in delta or gamme (i think this is wrong im just saying its how it is). just how things are atm. maybe it will channge in omega . i doubt it

but my point is if your comparing a none varium build against varium builds in delta it would seem weak .



theholyfighter -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 0:23:19)

^The CH must be a var player.



VanitySixx -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 18:09:51)

Non Varium CH is just as weak/strong as any other non varium class out there. Though I feel I shouldn't post a build here, I'll just give you an idea so you can see how balanced the game is.

For a non varium CH, assuming you are lvl 33-35, you can tank easily with max massacre. Since you don't have varium, i won't lie to you, you will NOT win every battle. It'll always be a heck of a fight but max massacre while tanking will definately even your odds. Don't get a lot of strength though. Only like 16-20 dmg is needed.

CH is a pretty moderate class. Not overpowered or underpowered and in my opinion, It's the most balanced class ED has created.




ED Prince of Shadows -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 18:15:30)

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^i got utterly mauled by a support CH on my tank tlm 5 focus my bloodshield was pretty worthless after the malf my bot was debuffed . he beat me (the crit fairy did help him abit 2 crits) but the build was sound on his part and honestly he deserved to win that 1 . and ive seen some pretty smart strengh builds not to mention i rolled a pretty succesful 5 focus CH tank build awhile bk after the nerf it wasnt as good as the other options but it certainly wasnt weak , ches r not weak

That might have been me, I had that exact battle. My support build uses poison, malf, and field medic. It works for me!



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 18:45:58)

Well, excluding 2v2 (because build possibilities for that are infinite), I find it disappointing that pretty much no CH builds except for a select few work. One very strong CH build that I made (I believe Gassia made this at the same time I did, coincidentally) was support with moderate strength, 139 HP, 7 emp, and level 9 or max mass. This build is pretty much as perfect as CH can get in terms of statistical advantage:

1. With a strong emp, and the chances that you go first, no one can energy shield against you. They can possibly technician or blood shield, but energy shield by far is your worst enemy. This is because BH and BM cannot recover lost energy without boosters, and they're the only classes with energy shield.
2. Massacre is based off of a pre-set amount of damage from your primary's bonus damage. This means even with lower strength you can still deal massive damage.
3. Malfunction increases with support, and so does the strong and low-energy costing defense matrix. A good crit every now and then is also useful from the support, particularly with infernal interdictor, the perfect primary for this build.
4. The only opponents that can take substantial energy away are TLM/mercenaries. After having a support-based strong malf, EMP loses a substantial amount of effectiveness. Also, even if you lose your energy to TLMs/Mercs, they have pretty much no strong defensive capabilities other than their base tankiness to combat future malfunctions, rage auxes, etc. Also, rage penetrates passive armors, and support gives rage quite rapidly. Malf will also sharply reduce the power of the TLM's bot.



VanitySixx -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 18:52:16)

@ExplodingPenguin

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I find it disappointing that pretty much no CH builds except for a select few work.

But with EVERY class, only a select few builds work! You think a bounty hunter will be able to tank it like a CH? lol.

How many different builds have u seen Blood Mages use? I've only seen strength and focus.

What about BH, I've seen only 2 with one on occasion. Strength, Dex, or 5 Focus (occasional)

And Tech Mage? Every Tech Mage I see uses a caster build and occasionally i see a strength build.

For mercs all i seen were strength builds with some 5 focus too sometimes.

There are only a select few builds in GENERAL for ALL classes that work. Sometimes, you gotta get more creative ;)



ED Prince of Shadows -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 19:59:16)

^
You underestimate the support BH, Lightmare's work was not in vain!



jzozezjzozez -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 20:20:54)

I am a CH and I suck. Probably because I have the worst items and no enchancments( and i forgot how to play). Thank god enchancements going away, NOW I HAVE A CHANCE. TY ED



theholyfighter -> RE: Cyber hunters are becoming weak (2/5/2013 20:34:54)

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Non Varium CH is just as weak/strong as any other non varium class out there. Though I feel I shouldn't post a build here, I'll just give you an idea so you can see how balanced the game is.

For a non varium CH, assuming you are lvl 33-35, you can tank easily with max massacre. Since you don't have varium, i won't lie to you, you will NOT win every battle. It'll always be a heck of a fight but max massacre while tanking will definately even your odds. Don't get a lot of strength though. Only like 16-20 dmg is needed.

CH is a pretty moderate class. Not overpowered or underpowered and in my opinion, It's the most balanced class ED has created.


1. Of course I know I can't win every battle
2. Trust me, I've tried more builds than you think, including the one you're talking about
3. That's still a build taht requires enhancements. I've tried to do that build months ago, and I only have 10 strength left.



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