RE: Berzerker is OP. (Full Version)

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zer00x -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/10/2013 16:03:17)

54 energy to use max berzerker? No way, thats almost the energy that max ultimate skills requires.



deltaknight7 -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/10/2013 16:40:20)

str is op not berserker



rayniedays56 -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 0:29:14)

Well Raffilia, I can help you here then :)


the damage calculation:


A mercenary has 25-30+35 energy primary damage with a maxed berzerker.


A tm has 30-36+5 resistance and casts technician, effectively gaining 41-50+5 resistance.


The mercenary then uses berzerker.


The damage calculated is:

(25-30+35(90%))-(41-50+5)

25-30+35+32
60-65+32
92-97 Energy Damage

(92-97)-(46-55)

42-46 Energy damage


^
^
^this is the version I see.


The version you suggested is thus:

(25-30+35)(90%)-(46-55)

60-65(90%)

60-65+54-59

114-124 energy damage


59-78 energy damage.




Weapons damage only (42-46)
Strength added in with (59-78)

While berzerker is rather OP, I highly doubt that it can do 59-78 damage when my resistance is still high.

Son't get me wrong, 42-46 damage is still WAY to high when someones defenses are high, while also costing only 45 EP at max.



@above:

From the way Berzerker is calculated, it is also vastly overpowered. even with 13-16+35 damage, you still take off a huge chunk.


Let's see, shall we?


My TM has 33-40 resistance and can manage 78-82 energy damage with Super Charge
A mercenary with 17-21+35 primary damage (32+35=67) so 84-88 damage.


Super charge costs 59 EP max to deal 78-82 damage with 30% life steal and ignores 20% resistance. CANNOT BE USED ON RAGE.
Berzerker costs 45 EP on max to deal 84-88 damage with no extra benefit, however, it can and is always used on rage, which ignores 45% defenses. AND it can ignore defense or resistance, dependant on weapon type.



See how it is OP now?



Drangonslayer -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 0:51:35)

Ha no lol at @warmaker04 if they block they just gain rage faster. It doesn't matter cause in three turns i'm dead.



STRUT MY MUTT -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 9:30:49)

I think a support requirement on beserker might balance them out pretty good. I've noticed all the Berserker build mercs only have 20 support.



ED Prince of Shadows -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 10:11:20)

EMP [;)]



Warmaker04 -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 11:19:50)

really drangon slayer? If u block since u have no support u will get rage in 2 more turns. and also if u block the BH mass you and ur done..
If u didnt realised their support is just 20, and they gain rage with support



huuduy1 -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 17:41:23)

The reason Berzeker OP because it doesn't scale with tech/support ( which merc doesn't need it much )



hijinks -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 17:43:51)

I agree, I get killed at the end of two turns and I have decently high dex and tech.



Rider_of_Rohan -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 19:13:38)

Best way to counter STR merc wombo combo that is mostly made possible by Berzerker:
Easy method number 1: Heal the pain away. Take Level 6+ hp, heal away their damage.
Easy method number 2: Take away their mana. Most Mercs don't have extra mana, so even removing 1 mana point = no berzerker.
Easy method number 3: Tank it. Pop a shield that defends against their primary weapon type, watch as berzerker doesn't do the 70 damage that some on this thread say it does.
Note: Even when the opponent has around 30 res/def, I rarely do more than 65 damage with berzerker, and my average is around 60 with 93 STR.
Notable method that isn't as reliable but still EXTREMELY effective(and the one I find most annoying): Block it. Smoke them, Reflex boost yourself, max shadow arts, etc. A blocked berzerker often spells doom for the Merc.
Honestly, it's quite easy to counter berzerker, but no one seems to do it.



NDB -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 19:41:00)

^Believe it or not, but there's a big difference between being able to counter and actually winning lol.



Rider_of_Rohan -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/11/2013 21:16:51)

^Believe it or not, this thread is about countering berzerker, not about winning lol.



ImBlack109 -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/12/2013 2:00:02)

For mercenary bezerker
Level 1 : 26

Level 2 : 28

Level 3 : 30

Level 4 : 32

Level 5 : 34

Level 6 : 36

Level 7 : 38

Level 8 : 40

Level 9 : 42

Level 10 : 44

This would be requirement for supp
Support would help alot in the game

Edit :And Actually the more strength you have with bererker,is the better chance of winning.
STR improves berzerker so
Strength would be OP.

Posts merge. Please don't double post. ~Mecha



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/12/2013 2:41:05)

quote:

Best way to counter STR merc wombo combo that is mostly made possible by Berzerker:
Easy method number 1: Heal the pain away. Take Level 6+ hp, heal away their damage.
Easy method number 2: Take away their mana. Most Mercs don't have extra mana, so even removing 1 mana point = no berzerker.
Easy method number 3: Tank it. Pop a shield that defends against their primary weapon type, watch as berzerker doesn't do the 70 damage that some on this thread say it does.
Note: Even when the opponent has around 30 res/def, I rarely do more than 65 damage with berzerker, and my average is around 60 with 93 STR.
Notable method that isn't as reliable but still EXTREMELY effective(and the one I find most annoying): Block it. Smoke them, Reflex boost yourself, max shadow arts, etc. A blocked berzerker often spells doom for the Merc.
Honestly, it's quite easy to counter berzerker, but no one seems to do it.

lol, if a was a strength and beserker merc, i can re-counter your counters.
1. i just need to keep striking you or gun you, also many of them has the bio weapons, platinum's pride and the meteor rain skill core, so i don't have to worry about being blocked.
2.yes take away my mana, i just counter it with generator skill core, and when they allow boosters, i just use energy boosters.
3.sure, i just need to keep striking you while gaining rage at a ridiculous rate stacked with my rage% increase passive, then i just use beserker with rage completely ignoring your shield.



Wasted Spirit -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/13/2013 21:16:43)

They'll probally just raise the dex requirements and energy requirements for bezerker.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Berzerker is OP. (2/14/2013 0:22:58)

Make it a tech requirment.
They all have 18 tech, that will hurt the brainless spammers!



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