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ambien -> skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:29:35)

why is it that 1 class will and has never had a nerf done to 2 of it skills

a merc has a skill called berzek which on rage gets block or even not rage can get blocked.

a tech mage when they use assimilation if blocked no lost of blue manna

blood mage when bludgeon is use it can be blocked and no damage

now for the oped ch and bh

the bh and ch has a skill that l think is the most overpowered skill in the game and we all know what it is. it is called massacre .
before you all get start getting mad about this skill that bhs and chs use let us see about this skill.

as l stated above about other classes skills which are all phy attacks which can get blocked or have a chance of being blocked and deal no phy damage if blocked.

the ch or bh use there skill massacre which has no chance of being blocked never will happen. or yea forgot about venom strike can be blocked, guess what still gives damage
why is it that bh and the ch have these skills which no other class has skills like these.

why not have a chance to block massacre why not other classes phy attacks can all be blocked so make it fair and have a chance to block massacre, and if venom strike is blocked
have it deal no damage.

l see why people get upset with classes not === in epic duel.

please give feed back

always the syfy[8D]





theholyfighter -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:33:57)

Then why can't we deflect SuperCharge or Surgical Strike?



the final hour -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:35:38)

very few people use venom strike anymore (guess its cos of the mana cost of smoke and mass then venom on top yeah,,,,)

but i agree massacre is OP and it should be blockable that said people will probably argue

surgical strike and super charge are unblockable and undeflectable



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:39:50)

what l am saying why not give a chance to block all phy attacks massacre is a phy attack. and if a attack is blocked no damage from it like venom strike.

always the syfy[:D]



Mother1 -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:40:48)

@ the final hour

Massacre was blockable in the past remember? However due to people complaining about it not being fair they had to wait four turns to warm up something only for it to get blocked wasn't fair.



theholyfighter -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:44:59)

Massacre is an ultimate skill.
If it's blockable, then Surgical Strike and SuperCharge should be Dodgable.



the final hour -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:49:30)

since u find alot more people using massacre then the other 2 im all for all being able to potentially do 0 dmg



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:50:04)

l am talking about phy attacks not spells or guns or aux. then why dont we have no chance to block any phy attacks then.

ok then if massacre can never be blocked, then have berzrk never being able to get blocked, or bludgeon never able to get blocked,or double strike never able to be blocked.

remb l said phy attacks.



the final hour -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:52:01)

i think im missunderstanding you since i think your saying you mean physical not energy

a energy massacre is the same as a physical massacre

energy beserk phsy beserk = same etc etc



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 10:59:57)

what l am saying again any attack phy or eng attack which the ch or bh is using as claws to attack u with by using their claws when they use massacre. or venom strike


always the syfy



theholyfighter -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 11:03:24)

Never. It nerfs them too greatly. Surgical Strike and Super Charge can NOT be deflected NOR blocked, and Massacre can be blocked? Never.



Stabilis -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 11:14:01)

Is this a balance discussion or a discussion in general?



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 11:18:11)

u dont get it. l am talking about 2 skills in the game that have no chance of ever being nerfed . massacre and venom strike.

all classes have some kind of protection you can put up to help reduce the damage from skills. either phy or eng damage.

l under stand that and l hope u do.

what l am saying if your have phy or reist protection on venom strike if blocked still full damage from the effects of the venom strike.

massacre if the bh is using phy claws and u are using phy protection from a skill you have he still deal massive damage, if he is using a engy claw for the attack and you are using a skill to reduce
damage from that type of damage you still take massive damage from massacre. and if he using engy or phy claws for his venom strike attack and you are using a skills that reduces damage and you block the attack you still take damage.

l didnt think it would be that hard to tell you that in this post.

always the syfy[:@]



the final hour -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 11:18:21)

^ well its gone balance and i think massacre should be nerfed along with zerker . surgical strike and super charge aint nearly used as much theirs probably a reason for that .

i see srry i didnt understand fully :/

i think your right it needs nerfing however shields should lower the damage that said ny smart BH/CH would just wait for it to drop then obliterate you with massacre.

poison is the same for tlm tho so to nerf one you'd have to nerf the other and tbh hardly anyone uses it their has to be a reason but i do see your point on this also



Stabilis -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 11:22:23)

quote:

always the syfy [:@]


Now look what you guys did.



Vypie -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:03:20)

No one should even be able to block a Massacre. Are you saying it's okay to lose 60 energy and a turn just like that?

That is not balanced. You are basically putting your bets on the Luck factor. Blocking(or not) would by itself determine who wins and loses.
Players would choose not to train massacre, just because of that. It would not be reliable.

The way to prevent massacre is not achieved through blocking. You disable massacre by taking EP from your enemy. Skills like EMP, assimilation, Atom smasher, Skill cores, are the best way to deal with it.
Or if you are offensive, you can kill them before the Massacre warmup.
Massacre is already tricky to use. You can get killed before, or the enemy can steal your energy. It costs a lot of energy and skill points, so it is already a HUGE sacrifice, specially when you cannot use it.


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yea forgot about venom strike can be blocked, guess what still gives damage
why is it that bh and the ch have these skills which no other class has skills like these.

It seems you don't know they are not the only classes with poison skills. Tactical mercenary has the skill [Toxic Grenade] which poisons the enemy, and guess what, it is an unblockable attack.



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:33:08)

u boys still dnt get it! what l am saying there should be a chance to block massacre like every other att that deals with claw attack. why should 1 class be able to bypass this.

massacre is a great skill dnt get me wrong but it is to strong . and some said why not use emp, well not every one uses a ch or bh to battle they have emp., and the skill or core skill that cough omega has that takes away manna really come on . l think if you could block massacre then that class would be balanced . even with def matix up you take a pounding and with engy sheild up you take a pounding,and even technician on you take a beating.

if that is the case let them make berzerker unblock able once and see how many players get mad and say oped class.

always the syfy[X(]



Vagaran -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:38:16)

I agree, Massacre is kinda ...OP? Atleast the dmg is rather high, especially for any STR abuser....

EDIT:

Although Massacre will probably become weaker when they nerf the STR stat.....



Ranloth -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:40:24)

And it won't ever happen since Ultimates are to be unblockable and undeflectable. If you find problem with Massacre, vagaran, then re-read your post; problem is with SA + Cores + blocking (and Strength) NOT the skill itself. >.>



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:50:05)

Massacre blockable? Really? Are you saying its balanced to wait 4 turns to use a skill that cost 33+ energy and just to get blocked? I strongly disagree.



Vypie -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 13:59:18)

@ambien
Massacre is strong because much sacrifice is needed to use it. If you could block massacre.... then the Block would become THE overpowered problem, and not massacre anymore.
Blocking massacre would mean that the enemy would waste a turn, Tons of energy, used skill points for nothing, no HP regained though Bloodlust, and for what? To be completely destroyed by a mere block?

Blocks would not fix it. It would make it unstable and the fate would be determined by luck.

I see what you are trying to say, but the solution you came up with is not a good one.


Berserker, compared to massacre, is a easier skill to use. You only need to wait one single turn, it is usable with swords (which deal more damage), and it is higher in the skill tree (easier access).
Because it can be used sooner, it is much harder to avoid. You may not even be able to steal enough energy, because in comparison, it consumes less.
When Berserker is Blocked, the enemy wont lose as much as when a Massacre user gets blocked.

Oh, and about massacre being a melee attack, that doesn't mean it should be Blockable.
When you are hit with a flurry of Hits and slashes, you can't really avoid it.
Massacre is a combination of attacks so fast you cannot react! :D

@vagaran123
Strength doesn't exactly make Massacre that much stronger. The damage calculations revolve around Weapon damage. When you put STR points, the massacre damage goes us as much as a strike.



ambien -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 14:12:05)

ok u all got mad because l brought up a question about massacre which l still think need some nerf to it. please dont keep saying 4 rounds 4 rounds it gets old.

ok since massacre will never be able to get block because you are saying 4 rounds cool down, lets try this .

lets make massacre 2 rounds like berzerker and give massacre a chance to be blocked.

and the only reason l brought this up is it is sad when stun gets block and berzerker gets blocked in the same game.

yea now you will say yea cheap shot it blocked yea so what my stun gets blocked. massacre is the skill chs and bhs use for chars skill for wins, 98% do.

berzerker skill is what mercs use for their wins and we get blocked something wrong here. so like l said give massacre a 2 round cool down like berzerker with a chance to get blocked.

always the syfy[:D]



Ranloth -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 14:19:07)

No. Massacre will NOT be made blockable, no matter how you change it. It'll have same warm-up as other Ultimates and work like other Ultimates.



DeathiZClarity -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 14:21:39)

@Syfy I kinda agree, but you would have to replace another skill with it, and give bounty a new bounty a new power-skill (like supercharge, and surgical strike).
Although, massacre is a purely attacking skill, surgical takes away 50% of rage and heal 30% of damage, surgical gives back 30% of damage, im not sure if it takes rage or not.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: skills some they will not nerf (2/12/2013 14:23:48)

@ambien No, I still strongly disagree. Leave Massacre alone and allow it to the work the same way the other Ultimates do. The solution to fixing STR BHs and CHs is NOT nerfing masscre but perhaps nerfing something else. The reason they're so OP is because of STR builds. Not only can they do high strike damage but when they add a smoke/malf they do even more damage. They also have Shadow Arts and maybe Ninja Reflexes (The Skill Core) that makes their block chance even higher. Plus they usually have natural high dex, pretty much making them untouchable.



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