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Made 4 Sunny Days -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 22:46:07)

@Remorse

I guess that fear would be an appropriate response to the opening couple weeks omega, what with the strength abusers, Im confident it'll get fixed before the yeti tourney starts, which I assume will be soon



Remorse -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:25:18)

^

My response is based off the current effect azreal borg had on balance.

I am confident STR will get nerfed hopefully this patch which is all well and good.


But releasing ANOTHER buff destroyer in my opinion has disasters effects on balance.

Proof being azreal borg!

Wanna know why STR builds such as BH and CH dominated through parts of delta?

Its because of that bot alone destroying reasonable counters via shielding.




This effect is what I like to call strategy diminishing.

It allows builds that would be forced to use different strategies to overcome shields to simply use the same thing over and over.


EG> Smoke/Malf, if they sheld use azreal, strike/gun/STR skill core/, massacre, Rage strike/gun/STR skillcore


And they can do that almost every battle if they start, having very few chances to be countered.



They need to release skill cores with the opposite effect to shield nerfing! they need shield enforcing and buffing skill cores!





ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:33:41)

I've always been one to suggest that bot specials be based on Focus levels as well if they're not damage based. So Azrael Borg wouldn't have a huge debuff to it unless you have 5 focus.



Banir -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:36:21)

Being able to buy these for "free" next year is a good plan. Their cores will be old and outdated by then anyway. And don't forget that credit prices are ridiculously high for equipment initially intended for Varium. Look at Frost Reaper/Beast Rider and the Yetis; they're all super expensive.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:55:09)

So uhm, when can i get those items?

I mean when is this update -,-?



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:55:45)

@ ND

Some bots such as the pyro fly and the yeti's would be able to follow this. I say that because the pyro fly removes one move for the duration of the duel, and the yeti's ability now puts the weapons on cooldown as if you used it. The gamma bot and infernal android already work like this since they are offensive bots. So this would only work for the assault bots, azreal's borg and bio borg since they work with percents.



Made 4 Sunny Days -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:56:16)

@ Remorse

I have a feeling that it won't mess the balance up too much, and if it does, it wont be too hard to balance it out with strength. If it doesn't debuff the buffs too much then it should be fine. That and the fact that it only comes in with 10k var pack. I have a feeling it won't be a super used weapon, but that's my opinion.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:57:00)

@mother In the case that the bot can't feasibly have it's effect lowered and it does damage then the damage would be the main point to be affected.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/14/2013 23:58:36)

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Being able to buy these for "free" next year is a good plan. Their cores will be old and outdated by then anyway. And don't forget that credit prices are ridiculously high for equipment initially intended for Varium. Look at Frost Reaper/Beast Rider and the Yetis; they're all super expensive.

it should return next year costing 60k credits :3 it will not be a big problem because people can save up their credits till then.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 0:14:09)

60k! ???

I rather buy something new, then old and expensive ..



nico0las -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 0:41:18)

Another pointless excuse to buy varium.
Tsk tsk, I'd have though we'd outgrown motivating players to buy varium, what with Omega and all, varium is now useless.

Can't wait for the valentine's gear to come out. I can finally use Cupid's Sorrow and actually gain something beneficial from it.
:D



SouL Prisoner -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 0:44:34)

I m badly waiting for st Patrick's weapons(luck weapons)



My Name is Jake -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 2:47:20)

Going to be disappointed if those 2 cores on the weps are the only new cores being released when they said they were releasing new cores this week. i 'm hoping new cores are in the core shop.



EpicIsEpic -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 3:44:55)

What i think is if i face a SUPPORT abuser i will die 100%. first use ure aux to make them strike then do artilery cuz of high support you will go 1st!



Drianx -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 4:07:20)

You gotta be kidding me, another 10k promo that is not available ingame, just 2 weeks into Omega?

And by the look of the cores, in Omega no one is forced to buy varium anymore, right?

What should I do with my latest 10k pack, get all hairstyles and name change several times?

Or maybe I should class change to Mage back and forth to be able to buy Azrael, because in Omega you can buy class-specific weapons for your class only. That is about 3k varium for a staff.

Nah, I guess I'll pnly re-buy Cupid's auxes and stay away from the rest.

GG.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 4:35:01)

@above they gotta make money afterall, still you are not forced to buy it, you can still win battles without it, also aren't you happy that varium lasts longer than before? or would you rather for it to be depleted very quickly?



TurkishIncubus -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:01:07)

I didnt like the new promo system. I got 17k varium now what am i gonna do with that if i cant buy items? If i buy another 10k pack that means 27k varium. Later you gonna make another promo so i need to buy 10k more. 37k useless varium. And it goes on.

The purpose of Promo Pack should be having those weapons for free not force us to pay 50$ every time or wait 1 year to get these items. Make those weapons 1500-2000 Varium each and sell them in game. So i can spent my varium on something.

I will not gonna pay another 50$ while i got 17k varium in my inventory just sitting useless.



Remorse -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:10:52)

Am I the only one who thinks both those skill cores are gonna have devastating effects on balance...



Even if STR builds are nerfed picture this.


Turn one, Double strike/maul
Turn two, Gun that forces them to attack, This will make they opponenets health low enough to kill with a zerker.
Turn three, zerker kill.



In turn two people versing STR builds would probably heal and chuck a energy drain in their somewhere, now they cant because they are forced to do a weak strike.


STR builds will benefit SO much from this, plus it wont work very well against them since their strikes are still extremely powerful.



And for the aux skill core.... another shield destroyer....

And on top of that works well with support CH's and mages,

Who can now stop people using a strong shield against their malfunction with a strong auxiliary attack.




Why can't the devs implement skill cores promoting balance????

Not effortless strategy less power, by destroying counter builds... which happen to be the only thing holding the game together.





If these skill core are implemented and work as I assume (attacks at the same time as applying the effects)

Then mark my words, we are in for some seriously bad balance.







Ranloth -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:15:14)

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The purpose of Promo Pack should be having those weapons for free not force us to pay 50$ every time or wait 1 year to get these items.

The thing is.. you pay for Varium and get items as a bonus.. <_< That's the case for years now, only top package has items whilst others don't thus you're paying for Varium. Don't see why waiting a year is a problem. So you'd rather prefer $50 option and perma rare instead? It's called incentive to purchase the promo. Those who didn't buy Omega one may find this one a bit more appealing, don't you think?



comicalbike -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:23:23)

the object of the game is to have fun so they called it omega and let the mers loose, and you dont have to buy variun so thats very good so lets just die by a merc and have fun.
on a light note are the mercs getting nerfed or not if they are thats good and the support ones as well.if when tha baleance is gone it should be corrected within 3 day not have to wait a week and TurkishIncubus you are correct what is the point



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:30:19)

@turkishincubus you don't get it do you? you are not forced to get the promos, you speak as if that you need to get the newest promo each time it is released, if you still have varium and don't wish to buy it then you don't have to, you only get it if the promo suits your character's looks, it is not delta phase anymore.



comicalbike -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:41:23)

TRizZzCENTRINO the idea of this game is to have fun and that is all if you cant see the game that way try another game and i agree with TurkishIncubus, if you cant have fun we dont want any new weapons at the moment because of the abuse of the mercs strengh and support that is more important so forget the money and fix the game first and fast



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 5:54:43)

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TRizZzCENTRINO the idea of this game is to have fun and that is all if you cant see the game that way try another game and i agree with TurkishIncubus, if you cant have fun we dont want any new weapons at the moment because of the abuse of the mercs strengh and support that is more important so forget the money and fix the game first and fast

again, you fail to see it, they need the money to keep the game up and fixin it at the same time, if they forget the money then there won't be a game to play, nightwraith is doing his job as a artist, so it is only natural for him to keep making items while titan and rabble do their part of the job, just because you don't like a new promo it doesn't mean that others won't, they might not like the look of omega weapons and want something else.



comicalbike -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 6:07:42)

thats not the point the testers should have found the that the game has major faults first they can make money after the game is fixed i have no problem with that but fix the game first or cant they do that, with all the previous versions they have not been able to fix the stats abusers
and they game us a brand new game but with the same faults so where is the sense in that



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= February 14, 2013 - Break Some Hearts (2/15/2013 6:18:31)

quote:

thats not the point the testers should have found the that the game has major faults first they can make money after the game is fixed i have no problem with that but fix the game first or cant they do that, with all the previous versions they have not been able to fix the stats abusers
and they game us a brand new game but with the same faults so where is the sense in that

exactly, it is a brand new game, so it is natural for it to have flaws, the job of the testers is not to test all of the builds, the job of the testers is to make sure that the game is free of bugs and making sure that every feature works the way it should, its up to the players to identify the im-balance and give feedbacks.



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