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doomnightx -> Poision Moves Balance (2/16/2013 19:26:36)

Tactical Merc poison grenade deals 1 more Dot than venom strike(BH+CH) and deals 100% damage compared to 70% damage.

In my opinion this is extremely unfair to deal less damage both in damage and DoT as a BH while a Tactical Merc can do more damage and not be blocked with practically the same move.



FishNoobCrack -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/16/2013 19:27:38)

A bounty hunter can use smoke + poison, whereas a tact merc cannot.



doomnightx -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/16/2013 19:59:39)

that could be a good reason for the 70% but not More DoT



Midnightsoul -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/16/2013 20:20:34)

BH's poison is blockable.
TLM's poison is unblockable/undeflectable.



doomnightx -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/16/2013 21:24:21)

tactical merc toxic grenade has 1 turn cool down(acording to wiki) and BH has 2 turns cool down



deltaknight7 -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 2:25:38)

bh got smoke
besides poison aint that usefull with alll the str builds



Ranloth -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 4:05:15)

quote:

Tactical Merc poison grenade deals 1 more Dot than venom strike(BH+CH) and deals 100% damage compared to 70% damage.

Wrong. It deals 100% of weapon's damage, so if your weapon has 36 damage then it's (36-<<defence>>=final damage). Venom deals 70% damage but it takes into account your weapon's damage and Strength. Making the attack stronger thus making up for minimally weaker DoT. If it's blocked, oh well. Poison Grenade still ends up much weaker.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 4:25:42)

quote:

Wrong. It deals 100% of weapon's damage, so if your weapon has 36 damage then it's (36-<<defence>>=final damage). Venom deals 70% damage but it takes into account your weapon's damage and Strength. Making the attack stronger thus making up for minimally weaker DoT. If it's blocked, oh well. Poison Grenade still ends up much weaker.


Wrong, toxic grenade also deals dmg over weapon's damage and Strength.
So venom strike is 30% less and blockable and 1 dot less.

This is Toxis grenade:
quote:

Poisons the enemy over time (3 turns) and inflicts 100% of primary weapon damage as Physical damage.

This is venom strike:
quote:

Poisons enemy over time and inflicts 70% of the primary weapon as normal damage.


So the only difference is:
Toxic = 100%, Venom = 70%
Toxic = Psysical, Venom = Depending on primary kind
Toxic = Unblockable, Venom = Blockable
Toxic = 12, Venom = 11

Which makes toxic grenade better then venom strike.
But toxic grenade is one of the best skills of the TLM, venom strike is not supposed to be the best of the BH.



Ranloth -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 4:34:48)

quote:

Poisons the enemy over time (3 turns) and inflicts 100% of primary weapon damage as Physical damage.

This quote proves it. If it goes over - as you say - then report it as a bug. Since it IS a bug. I have old logs to confirm this, Staff confirmation can do, right?

Mind you, that's from June 2012, so if it deals damage over primary weapon's damage then it's a bug that needs to be fixed.
quote:


[21:37:43] <Trans> Toxic Grenade, how come it ignores 80% defence?
[21:38:57] <Trans> Or was it not intended to prevent 3 damage on Poison? (it's based on Str + Primary damage, then 25% of it and take away Def)
[21:39:22] <&Ashari> It's not 25% of damage
[21:39:27] <&Ashari> it's 100% of primary weapon damage
[21:39:30] <&Ashari> The wiki was incorrect there
[21:40:15] <@Praktel> Oh that wiki... how it's incorrect...
[21:44:30] <TheNDMalletGuy> Oh I see now. 100% of Primary weapon damage
[21:44:39] <TheNDMalletGuy> So at best it's 35 damage before def/res




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 4:57:51)

Then the description is obviously wrong.
Only differnce between the descriptions is one word and thats ''damage'' .

That does not really indicate the difference, does it?
Then they need to say:
Poisons the enemy over time(3 turns) and inflicts 70% of the primary weapon damage with strength as normal damage



Ranloth -> RE: Poision Moves Balance (2/17/2013 5:06:17)

That's correct. You may as well at put it in Bugs section so it can get fixed, since it's misleading already (as seen here). And not everyone go on Forum either so they may not even know.



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