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ThePriest -> My test and my results. (2/21/2013 18:38:53)

First of all, I can say that I hated them new weapons.
Not that I could not buy them for that, I could.
But because I waited yeti tournament, and would rather not buy something before it came.
But chose to buy when it said that it will come this week.
But before I had them this weapon. People complain about the so-called str merc.
Then there was those nerf, but still, people find them difficult.
Anyway, anyone who knows me around the epicduel.
Know that I am a person that can have many different builds.
Switching classes next to the whole time and so on.

What I have come up with it all is that the game is very balanced.
(Maybe not perfect but people exaggerate)
For each build , there is a counter build.
Sometimes you need to change class even.
But why is it that people always want to get the classes nerf buff etc..

Now I will say honestly why it is as it is.
All weapons can be shaped exactly the same. So nothing unique about them.
Besides some cores.
That means it costs a player 250 for training and 400 for Sort fix his weapon to build as he wants.
650 credits? very cheap.

So when a particular player.
Forms a good build for its class.
Will most people who are in that class.
The automatic also making that build.
Which in turn causes people to start writing OP OP OP OP.
Then it starts epicduel nerf and change in skills, etc..
And everyone is happy until a new player comes on a good build.
And it all begins again.

People do not understand that some of us players spend a lot of credits
that have taken us several hours to farm together or even varium which we bought with real money.
Changing classes and practicing several times a day until we get a good build.
As you others just take then when it is finished.
And who do the rest complain of us all who use it.
To them are in the wrong class and are too lazy to simply make a build that beats them.

For each build as you complain that you think is OP,
So, we who have credits / varium only change class,
Fix and tricks until we have found a new build that eventually become OP.

But an OP build is only short-lived.
Then someone else will always do a build that can beat it.
The player you might win over.
Maybe just the build that can beat the build that is OP at the time.
Some OP builds, you have to maybe change the class to simply be able to get a build that beats it.
50,000 credits or buy varium?

So my best advice is to all of you who complain about the OP builds.
Either you start to play very much.
then switch classes and tricks and fix that could cost up to 100,000 + credits to form a build that beats it.
Or are you waiting in that someone else will find a build that can beat it then just take it build.



For now I can say this to 100%, I have now received the balance of the game.
And to be honest, it's those new weapons.
Gun and Aux that people say are OP.
Then everyone I meet who have them new weapons.
Does not matter what class they are, it can become an even fight.
And I think anyone who has them new weapons,
Who have learned to use them.
Can agree that when you meet a player with those weapons.
So it can go either way.
However, there are not many players who can beat us if they do not have them new weapons!
But believe me, there builds to win over us.
But it gets harder when you can not have the right build for winning all of us?
Since there are so many different builds.

So this is my summary of it all!
When I meet other players who have them new weapons.
Who know how to use them, am I right build for their build
I win otherwise lose. Since it is so extremely evenly with them new weapons.
I meet other players who do not have them new weapons.
I win almost always. Why do I do it?
Then it takes a build like those people use.
So then I have swelling formed a build that can beat it.
But also face very often players who do not have them new weapons.
That wins over me. Then they use a build that wins over mine.
But the build that wins me over maybe you can win over very easy.


Do not really know what I wanted to get out of this that I wrote.

Beginning just getting tired of all OP talk.
Builds them who are called OP.
Is it easiest to hit when you find the right build for it.
Since most of those in that class start to use them.
So most likely that you encounter them.
Just that it teaches cost credits or varium to find it.

We who buy varium and have much credits.
Will always find an OP build.
Whatever epciduel allows for changes.
It should just be happy that you get to see those of others builds.
So you also get the opportunity to see it.
And to take it themselves without costing you even half of those credits / varium.
As the build creator has put out.

sorry for the wall of text.

// The Priest

If the thread is in the wrong location. So can you weld be friendly and move it.
Also maybe change title if required.




legion of souls -> RE: My test and my results. (2/21/2013 22:19:20)

What he said ^




i like bounty hunter -> RE: My test and my results. (2/21/2013 23:06:16)

[:(] that was beautiful




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 0:26:24)

strength mercenary is a OP build before its minuscule nerf, because it is unbeatable if you do not have RNG factors on your side, they just repeat the same process over and over again for each battle, taking the fun out of battles, ED is meant to be a place of diversity and surprises in battle, not a place to verse different enemies with the same build and moves, it just ruins other's fun because the stat abuser are so obsessed with their wins, its either become a strength mercenary or suffer defeat most of the time when you meet one, i sure have tried alot of builds to counter them but non of it works as successfully, it's because of the slight nerf that gave other builds and players a chance to compete without being the same as the stat abusers, a OP build/class is when it cannot be defeated by a specific build and the opponent needs more than 3 luck factors on their side in-order to defeat them, at the start of omega, strength builds can counter most of the known builds.

OP builds are short lived because the staff nerfs it, most of the time the devs nerfs only one class/build at a time, that's why another OP build takes its' place, the devs should nerf 2 or 3 builds that has the highest win % and the most damage done in a short amount of rounds.




Giras Wolfe -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 2:17:43)

I found that very difficult to follow. The abrupt sentence structure is ...jarring, to say the least.

But, aside from that you have found a sad truth of epicduel. Because you can't keep your build a secret, other people can simply copy something you spent tons of work, thought, and credits developing at almost no expense to them. Hiding your skill tree isn't an option, because opponents need to be able to see it to develop a strategy to beat you.

However, when you find an OP build, it takes a couple days for everyone to catch on, then maybe another week or so before the devs choose to take action against it. That is a very short, sweet window of time.

Also, players who develop extremely good builds get a lot of respect in the community. Take Xendran, for example (one of the pioneers into the infamous heal loop.) People respect him for his ability to make exceedingly good builds. He told me he's seen people copy his build, even when he's testing something completely crazy or random.

I'd do anything to win that kind of respect. Between that, and a couple sweet days when you have an insanely good build no one is prepared to fight, I would say build testing is worth the effort, despite the fact that other players will catch on. There's really no way to stop them from doing it, but researching the build is still worth the effort.




ThePriest -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 6:50:29)

I was a so-called str merc with various forms of OP builds.
When I was new as you rest in Omega,
But there was nothing that I myself had chosen.
I had to choose it.

For my credits and varium ended.
Then I tried to think of a good build.
When I on the whole lost maybe 95% of my fights.
Against str merc when I tried to come up with a build that could beat them.
So I had to change myself to str merc.
To farm back some credits.
And to try again to make a good build.
As can beat them.

In the end, I got up my credits.
And then change to another class.
Sometimes could beat my str merc.
What I had seen, some may call it luck.
But I call it more tactics.
Obviously I did not copied anyone's build.
Without saw the strength of the class and built my own build.

The class that I chose was Cyber Hunter.
And formed a build that had a chance against str merc.
Shadowart Max plus lvl 1 stun = 40% chance of stun.
It gave me a better chance to block plus almost than 50% chance of getting a stun.
Then I had max massacre
So I could do a lot of damage to them.
And higher points of support.
So I got a better chance to start first.
Plus some points on the dex, to increase block% chance a little more.
Then I had obviously EMP skill and Matrix.
Matrix was because if I meeting one who had psy main weapon.
Plus the armor that has a 100% hit chance = psy dmg.

How did it go for me against those so called str merc?
They had different builds but the same strength.
I started the next still first in my battles thanks to support.
But not always, but even then I was lucky to get my higher % of blocks.
But if I first started, you had to adjust their tactics.
After that kind of str merc who you met.
Sometimes it was sometimes EMP Matrix in the start.
It was hard but I came in as I was close to doing massacre.
So I tried stun not because it did hurt, but the high% of stun.
Plus str merc usually had low support so gave the extra chance to give them stun.
And then they start complaining to me that I was lucky and so on.
For it was mostly so I won. sometimes had them very low hp left.
But got rage and shot me lol

Anyway, with this build and tactics behind it.
Plus higher% chance to block stun etc..
So won roughly a little over 75% of my battles.
And the str merc so it was a little over 50% chance that I won.
So where str merc OP then to me? NO.
But of course, said around 90% of all str merc who lost to me.
Noob, Nub, stun lucky, lucky blocks, plus many other bad words.
But in all honesty, they became angry that their tactics did not work.

Had I had more% chance to beat them so had this been the new OP build.
Since most of those they fought against was just str merc.
Think also BH would have been better choice than the CH str merc.
When they get back HP also.
But chose CH when I believed in their shield and so on.
Though it did not work out as I had imagined.
And I did not have 50,000 credits to change class again: (lol

But with this build, I meet a new class of OP build.
Tech Mage omg they destroyed me completely.
Since I had neither shield or high point on tech.
So they used the skills that they did not have to face my higher% block chance.
Then after a while it started to get more and more tech magician with high E damage.
But as long as I did not have to face the class, so yes it was pretty even.

But then they new guns and aux into the game?
Slowly but surely you could see more and more people who had them.
My tactic did not work at all then against them.
Sometimes I was lucky and people did not know how to use them.
But I change my build a little bit,
Malf / High Dmg support cyber hunter.
Start getting around 30% chance of winning vs the weapons. .
But as I said think I was in the wrong class to meet them.
Probably BH would have been better.
But still they have paid $ 50 so clearly it should be litte harder,
to come up with a build that can beat them.

So in other words, it felt like those new weapons were OP.
I'm tired of it got angry and so on.
But then I decide myself to buy them,
Then yeti tournament would start soon.
What I noticed then? Yep got it easier to win again nice :)
Changed class player with support TM now.
And lets say that TM high tech doing so I lose the most.
So for me, the new OP class is TM.
But that's just because they win me over with a very high% chance.
And I also win over others with higher% chance.
So in their eyes, I am the new OP build.

So in other words, it is like this.
Customize your build for that kind of builds as you face the most.
This way increases your chances to win and your win% increase.
But while it will cost you a lot of credits to change builds frequently.
Sometimes it takes time to come up with a build that can beat them builds most used.
But sooner or later will a good build arrive.
You then hope that you are in the right class so you can use it.
Or swapped class for that particular build.
Or wait until someone in your class can find the right one.

Thinking seriously about making a simple guide for builds.
Most focused as for new players.
Then I think those are the ones who complain the most.
Okay some pro players who know what to do now complaining sometimes.
I too special to them so called OP guns aux etc.

But in our defense, so we burned a lot of credits and varium.
To purchase cores, change class, and simply train train train,
And try to come up with a build that works on omega.
Then came str builds that made merc got the upper hand.
As many had too little credits / varium to switch to the correct class that can beat them.
But after a while we begin to shape the great builds that had a chance against str merc.
Even before they got nerf.
So we were happy. Then they come new weapons.
As we are not familiar with, so we will have problems adapting.
When the entire system is new to us.
And many burned everything they had to switch to a class / build.
As they adjust for omega before them new weapons entered.
So now you can not just change class.
And then you get mad at it

The final word on these.
I'll give you a little short guide soon! ^ ^
Love u all / / The Priest




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 8:41:00)

i have no idea of what you are saying.




ThePriest -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 9:58:16)

quote:

TRizZzCENTRINO


Sorry for all my typos, I have dyslexia also.
But what I mean is the following.

Find a good build will take time,
To copy a good build, Goes really fast.
Therefore, it feels like it will be some OP classes sometimes.
But that's because it takes longer to come up with a build that beats them.
But when you weld've found the right build.
Will then people start copying that build and it becomes the new OP.

Str merc just seemed OP for no one came on a build to beat them.
And the build that beats str merc build.
Maybe it is just that you win over very easy, as you think the poor build he had.
As is the solution to your problem with str merc.




legion of souls -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 12:42:17)

They should archive this thread for the future! Nicely said Priest.




caser5 -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 16:26:59)

The grammar police would bring you in on a plethora of charges. What ThePriest said was true, although a bit rambling and disorganized. My only desire is for an Over-Powered TLM build to come along so I can compete well.




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 17:06:22)

@above no you re wrong about the mercenary, it is OP because at the start of omega, players do not have enough defenses to cover the damage the str abuse mercenaries are dealing, not its easier to win against them because their skill damage has been nerfed by a few % and the staff increased the amount of energy for each class so they can set up a shield without worrying about not having enough for heals etc.

what you are saying is that every build has a counter build to it without having to nerf them, but that's not what happened to the strength abuse mercenaries, so you are wrong about that one.




caser5 -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 17:18:03)

@above TLM=Tactical Mercenary, I very rarely see a Str-abuse TLM, the most popular TLM around is either balanced or tank.

I don't think a str-TLM can be very effective, they have less Attacking Skills than mercs(lower damage output), only a nerfed double strike, and they seem to have lower defense when than Str-abuse mercs ( perhaps due to PHY-only mineral armor, but this seems irrelevant due to actual armors)




Mother1 -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 17:36:43)

@ caser5

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. I see strength TLM and while they aren't common as the others they still do decent damage. in fact I have seen a combo of the strength abuse and tank TLM together more then I see the simple tank of it.




Variation -> RE: My test and my results. (2/22/2013 17:54:06)

I mainly encounter tank TLMs, but I don't restrict TLMs to that specific build strategy. I am as most people are aware of the fact that classes have a lot of different build strategies.




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