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Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/17/2013 15:16:59)

Currently as you all now, no one uses it, because its core is just bad.
Only build that actually provides something from this core is extreem support builds, and even then its not worth wasting a turn on it.

I myself have tried many builds with this core to actually have some advantages with it, but i failed.
There isnt even 1 single build that makes the core worth the turn on using it.

Thats why, this core needs a buff.
My ideas to make this core USEFULL not as most of you think OP.

Currently its:
quote:

An ability that increases your or your allies base support by 30% for 3 turns.

I want to change this to:

quote:

An ability that increases your or your allies base support by 30% for 3 turns, while healing the characters health with 15.

This makes the core actually usefull to use while not having the slightest sense of OPness.
Even a sup-heallooping build wont have a big advantage with this core change.

Or:
quote:

An ability that increases your or your allies base support by 30% for 3 turns, while healing the characters energy with 15.

This also makes the core actually usefull to use.
15 energy isnt much at all and you still need to waste a turn on using it.
30% support isnt much since you can still use your aux only once during the period of the core.

Or:
quote:

An ability that increases your or your allies base support by 30% for 3 turns, while attacking the opponent with 85% primary dmg.

This makes the core a weaker strike with a side-effect, also not OP at all.

So, whatya think of these buffs?
These buffs do not have the slightest sense of OPness at all, other cores are still better then this one.
Currently, this core is just useless, believe me, i tried everything.

Just to be clear, i only want one of these buffs, not all 3 on it!

Edit: I have changed the amount of health and % on the 1st point




Demon Emperor -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/17/2013 16:17:48)

I can agree to making this core more useful. I've seen one person use it in battle. One. And I beat them too.

The 2nd and 3rd suggestions look ok, the first one heals for too much.

Edit: For the 3rd suggestion I would say make the supp increase 25% like the 1st one.

A 4th suggestion:
Increase the support of you or an ally by 30% for 3 turns and heals for 10 HP.




Drianx -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/17/2013 16:25:41)

The suggestion with the heal is dangerously strong. I agree with 2 and 3, I even suggested 3 too.




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/18/2013 2:56:42)

Ive changed the health amount from 25 to 15. And the % from the 1st idea from 25 to 30%
Because this core seriously needs a buff




sky222 -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/18/2013 2:57:54)

How about we half the effect and make it passive? Or make it 25% and lasts whole battle




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/18/2013 3:00:45)

^ That would OP the sup builds alot. 25% over 130 support is more then 30 support extra..

Thats why i want to keep it an active, but have a side-effect




Drianx -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/18/2013 4:21:50)

Making it passive will start the return of items with different stats, ruining the whole Omega concept.




Assassain11 -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/18/2013 16:13:47)

I can agree that it is weak.

I easily beat a level 35 BM that used it, while being a level 32 TLM.

Number 2 sounds good to me... Or number 3.




arthropleura -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 2:59:35)

Thing is people who have low armor (support spammers) cant really afford to use a turn for this :/
the concept of this was weird >.>




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 3:13:48)

how about this?
since the name of the skill core is growth serum then it has to do with growth in both size, strength, life-points while getting clumsy at the same time.
so when the skill core is used, it will:
-increase user health by 5 points
-increase user strength by 5%
-sending a small quake towards you opponent that deals 65% strike damage, blockable(can affect 2 opponents in 2v2)
-increase user energy by 5 points
-increase user support by 30%
-decrease user connect chance by 5%

it would be the most unique skill core so far.




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 3:20:37)

^ And a bit OP dont ya think?
Compared to other primary cores, it is OP. i mean 6 effects?
Make it 2-3, but a bit higher and i can agree.




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 3:26:56)

@above
no not really since there is also a negative in it, using this skill core would cause the user to have a lesser chance to be able to hit their opponent, all the effects would be applied first before getting to the quake part, therefore the quake effect would be somewhat likely to be blocked.

@below he he i know :P




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 3:51:20)

^ Not if its a dex abuser.
A dex bh/bm will have a field day with this core since reflex improves with support and expecially the BMs that have overload and Plasma rain improving with dexterity.

PS: You do not need to quote me since im directly above you, they consider it as spam ya'know.
Not mini modding, since im not telling him to not do it, just an friendly advice.




zion -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 5:17:48)

I think its fine as it is. It is an exact counter to curse and omega cores. The support equivalent of field commander. The point of these cores is to help a bit in some situations. If you don't like the effect, don't buy it.




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 5:32:24)

quote:

It is an exact counter to curse and omega cores

Except that curse and omega cores still deal 100% primary damage or have a 13% chance to inflict it.
Growth serum gives no dmg at all and thereby wastes a whole turn.

So yeah....its really UP.




Remorse -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 5:44:41)

How about this,


Raise you support by 30% while attacking the opponent with an 85% auxiliary damage. ( aux must be off cooldown)


What this means is support abusers cant abuse this skill because while the 30% buff will increase the aux damage yes, it will also be reduced to 85% damage for that attack which means they wont be able to use the massive support buffed aux during the buff of support without it being only 85% since aux has 3 cool down which is the same duration of the buff.



This means that this skill is much less likely to be abused by support users if it were to incorporate damage into the buff effect being used.




Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 5:51:50)

^ Pardon me?
Thats a nerf to a core that is already useless?

You want to make it more useless then it already is?

Below; Exactly o.O

You use a core of the primary and then use auxiliary??
What logic is that remorse?




TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 5:52:14)

@above uh..then shouldn't this be a AUX skill core?




Remorse -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 9:09:06)

I suppose its flawed logic,

And since they placed it on a primary....


Im just sick of the strike effects TBH.



I wish they would make core effects which used damage not based with STR.




theholyfighter -> RE: Buff to Growth serum (Botanical battlegear). (3/19/2013 10:19:26)

3rd Suggestion.




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