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santonik -> How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 13:10:11)

1 FOCUS---------- -reduce all skill damage 1,lover buff and debuff 2 points


2 FOCUS----------- reduce all skill damage 1,reduce buff and debuff 2 points


3 FOCUS----------- reduce all skill damage 1,reduce buff and depuff 2 points


4 FOCUS---------- reduce all skill damage 2,reduce buff and debuff 3 points


5 FOCUS---------- reduce all all skill damage 2, reduce buff and debuff 3


This is pure suggestion .

Now 5 focus can use every skills no penalties. this nerfs them little bit.

(Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller.)



Hard boy -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 13:27:26)

No, no more nerfs 5 focus is the only thing that works for mercs...



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 13:41:49)

Im play merc too. That nerfs all Attacks skill including buff and debuff. But no passives and bot.




AQWorldsFarmer -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 14:04:16)

Santok, no matter how much you nerf it, people will still complain cuase you beat them using strategy, when they use a build they copied.



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 15:02:50)

Santok, no matter how much you nerf it, people will still complain cuase you beat them using strategy, when they use a build they copied.



Yes people copy everything and complain too. I dont see this so bad suggestion. focus players can be tank and big damage. 5 focus is no anything penalty plus very good bot. Plus good skills too. That is them advanced now.That my suggestion making only more balance plus more strategy, yes.

That why i making this suggestion.



Mother1 -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 15:14:57)

Not supported in the least. this would hurt all builds unless they have no focus and in case you haven't noticed even most spam builds have at least level 1 or 2 focus.



The Incredible Hulk -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 15:18:27)

Not supported.



Hard boy -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 16:44:41)

@santonik

What if i wanna have fun and not play with 5 focus?
what if i want a 4 focus sergical or bunker build?
mercs are not all about 5 focus and bots..



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 17:00:38)

not supported, you want to nerf the only build which uses the most strategy? you have no good reason to nerf them



Ranloth -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 17:00:54)

I don't see why I should be penalised for using a certain build. Being 'jack of all trades, master of nothing' is already a penalty since you're balanced in all areas but not as much as other builds that focus on defence or offence.

Besides, what if I use Focus 5 because my requirements on skills are THAT bad? Why am I penalised even further? Sometimes it's good to have balance of both (thus ending with Focus 4/5) and not using the Bot. My Merc has Focus 4 because.. that's how my stats turned out. What Bot I use? Assault Bot P. So basically, I have the debuff and alternative source of blockable damage *if* I need to and have no other choice.



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:29:19)

This is pure suggestion .



Yes people see always bad things first. But good things laggins always behind.

This suggeggestion making people taking more options to building. Now is too much 5 focus player.

Now 5 focus can use every skills no penalties. this nerfs them little bit.

Skills is little bit weaker.

This is not effected cores, bot ,passives skills or stats.

yep, 4 focus is smaller reduce skills (damage 5,reduce buff and debuff 9) than 5 focus (damage 7,reduce buff and debuff 12)

(Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller









Ranloth -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:36:03)

But why should we be penalised for something we may not even rely on? If I have Focus 5 and use Assault Bot only for its ability, why should I deal less damage? No matter what penalty, it's wrong. Focus 1 can be achieved very early on or even with abuse, so why should I be penalised for.. trying to be creative by not using Bot (damage) but being forced to have Focus?

There is NO reason to nerf Focus. Scared of IA? Fix the Bot, not penalise everyone..



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:43:50)

hhhmm.. i forgot totally

Energy Shield

Defense Matrix

Those can be nerf

1 focus----1

2 focus----1

3 focus----1

4 focus----1

5 focus----1

Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller



Ranloth -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:46:28)

No. Why should there be a nerf in the first place? Explain that. What causes you trouble? What if my build is (STR/DEX/TECH/SUPP) 35/58/65/39 - by that, I should be Focus 3, am I right? I don't use a Bot but for its ability and my strong point is defence. Why should I be penalised for that at all? Why penalise Focus at all? It was already done so once with Gamma Bot release and the change affected the future Bots.



Master Smasher -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:58:00)

not supported, a 5 focus build is a pretty even build to play and there are many ways of getting around it



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 18:59:03)

But why should we be penalised for something we may not even rely on? If I have Focus 5 and use Assault Bot only for its ability, why should I deal less damage? No matter what penalty, it's wrong. Focus 1 can be achieved very early on or even with abuse, so why should I be penalised for.. trying to be creative by not using Bot (damage) but being forced to have Focus?

There is NO reason to nerf Focus. Scared of IA?(yes and no. but that is not the this point.) Fix the Bot, not penalise everyone..

I seen this change to making more balance.

Now 5 focus can use every skills no penalties. this nerfs them little bit

focus 1 can be reduce zero skills. 2 focus too but. 3 focus reduces skills. 4 focus reduces skills 5 focus reduces skills

i dont see broplem of that.

Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller.

And this is only suggestion.











Master Smasher -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:01:09)

@santonik

bots make 5 focus builds too OP, atleast nerf the bots, keep everything else



Mother1 -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:15:36)

@ master

try the infernal android. Out of all the bots for terms of power there were only 2 bots people complained about. The gamma bot which was taken care of and the infernal android which is still OP. Let's not give bots that don't need a nerf another nerf because one bot is OP focus on the one bot that is OP in power not every bot when it is just one.

@OP

Focus 5 has it's downs. While it can use all skills at once, it can't use them as effectively as a strength spamming build would use strength, dex spam uses dex move etc. In other words the attack used aren't as powerful. Focus 5 is giving up power in all areas to use each area moderately. Why should focus get another nerf to making it weaker when they are giving up power to use moderate power?



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:20:26)

@Hard boy

What if i wanna have fun and not play with 5 focus?---- Every player playing own ways.Own build.
what if i want a 4 focus sergical or bunker build?----- 4 Focus build. This my suggestion reduces little bit those moves. Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller.

mercs are not all about 5 focus and bots.. -----Yes they arent all 5 focus and bot. This is not effected cores, bot ,passives skills or stats. Effect only skills. And u can abuse some stat. Those reduces can be changes bigger or smaller depend focus.






Exploding Penguin -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:23:49)

Not supported, I don't even think 5 focus builds are OP anyways.



Ranloth -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:26:44)

quote:

Every player playing own ways.Own build.

So why am I being penalised for stats looking as if I was Focus 5 yet I'm not using the Bot? Makes no sense. You still didn't say what's OP about Focus, at all. If it's a specific Bot, deal with that. Don't punish the whole community for nothing.



santonik -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:43:47)

So why am I being penalised for stats looking as if I was Focus 5 yet I'm not using the Bot? That is tactic question?

Makes no sense.---Sometimes that is first looking.

You still didn't say what's OP about Focus, at all. If it's a specific Bot, deal with that.--5 focus can use every skills no penalties and can use strong bot. Bot not cost any energy. 5 focus build no need so much energy than casters. or Heavy attackers.(like massacre) Still 5 focus works.


Don't punish the whole community for nothing.
I punish myself too ;)

BUT this is still suggestion ^^



Mother1 -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 19:43:57)

@ trans

From his original post I believe he thinks focus 5 is without penalty so he want to put some in even though you as well as myself mentioned them.

@ op

did you not read my last post? sure focus 5 can use all skills however, they don't get the same power as a stat abuse build would that is the fault of focus 5. Can a focus 5 TM using max level plasma bolt get the same power that a tech spamming TM get out of it? No they can't. Can't a focus 5 get the same power out of malf as a support spamming CH? I think not.

Focus gives up power for flexibility with the added bonus of robot power. Why should me or anyone else who would want to use focus 5 or focus period be punished for wanting some sort of flexibility?



Ranloth -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 20:05:14)

quote:

focus 5 is without penalty

Ha! No. Jack of all trades = specialised build. How? Focus has spread out stats and covers all areas but not as well as specialised build. But specialised build has a weak area (say offence) which Focus has covered but not as well. Bots that give damage are useable for Focus, ones with effects are good for those who don't rely on Focus as much.



Stabilis -> RE: How i nerfs 5 focus build (3/20/2013 20:26:46)

Focus is excellent in all stats but poor on health and energy. Only those 2.



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