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Sipping Cider -> Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 18:55:44)

Wasn't sure whether this would be a suggestion or balance, as it is a suggestion for balance. Anyways,

Five focus seems to be the best build out there right now, and I wish (not sure how others feel about this) that spreading out your stats could be appealing through another means rather than allowing you to use a robot. Ideally, the only incentive to spread out your stats would be to have more options. What if each stat worked like this:

Strength
-Improves primary weapon every 4 points
-affects rage gain
-affects stun chances

Dexterity
-improves defense the same
-affects block chances
-affects who starts

Technology
-improves resistance the same
-improves robot (and robot no longer is affected by focus level, but instead your level)
-affects deflection calculations

Support
-improves sidearm damage
-improves aux damage
-improves crit chance

Health/Energy
-goes back to improving 2 for every one stat point invested

This way each stat is very powerful on its own, but you miss out on important advantages by ignoring other stats.



Ranloth -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 18:58:13)

Deflection to Dex? Where's logic here? Support would be bound to be even more OP. And Dex for First Strike? No thanks; even more abuse.



Mother1 -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:05:09)

Sorry but no thank you. I can see all of these ideas destroying the game rather then balancing out and even with these guess what Focus would still gain power with this for the soul purpose that it would get some of all of these where as a specialized build would only get a major benefit from either one or two stats while lacking in the others.

That is why focus is strong since it gives up extreme power for flexibility.



Sipping Cider -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:06:40)

Wait wait, I changed some stuff up. And I thought it would be more realistic for deflections to be in dexterity, as if you are dexterous you can knock bullets out of mid-air (it is EPIC duel after all)



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:09:46)

@Cider

But not The Matrix



Sipping Cider -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:16:18)

@Mother1

Yes my idea is that spread out stats should allow for more flexibility, but bots can be used without needing 5 focus. Also, five focus should not dominate as I tried to make stat powerful enough to act on its own.

@Noobernaut Fusion

If only...

But seriously, isn't deflecting by definition just changing the path of an object? And bullets are pretty fast, so even if you are using some sort of energy field to deflect the bullets you would need to be dexterous enough to place the shield in the right place.



sleddyboy3 -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:19:57)

Not supported..

We want to balance the game, not destroy it with abusers.



King Helios -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 19:22:17)

DEX + Support...


Cyber Hunter goes like this.

Malf - Multi - Gun - Aux - Malf - Gun

Win.



Mother1 -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 20:05:43)

@ cider

Even without robot damage focus 5 or balance of all stats is strong because of it's flexibility. Robot Damage is just the thing that focus gives extra. As Sleddyboy explained this idea would just make a bunch of stat abusers which are dominating the game at lower to middle levels.

Think about how this would destroy the game at all levels not just the higher levels.




Sipping Cider -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 20:23:59)

quote:

DEX + Support...


Cyber Hunter goes like this.

Malf - Multi - Gun - Aux - Malf - Gun

Win.


Awesome!

And techy tech mages could go:

plasma bolt-robot-heal or assimilate-plasma bolt or supercharge

And strength mercs could go:

maul or double strike-berzerk-primary core-maul or double strike



@ Mother1

If five focus is so powerful for its flexibility, why would this just create stat abusers? I could easily see defensive moves saving the five focus by stopping whatever main attack the stat abuser has.

I admit I had not thought of the middle or lower levels. Right now I am doing just fine as a five focus, but maybe that is because I have varium. How would it destroy the game for lower levels?



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 20:28:24)

Dude, people just like robots alot, that's why they use focus. Just because something appeals to alot of people doesn't mean it should be broken.



Mother1 -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 20:43:36)

@ cider

I have and I can tell you as it is right now focus builds don't work at the lower levels. All the builds people are claiming needs to be buffed are very usable and extremely OP at lower levels. These idea would make those builds even more OP at the lower levels.




Sipping Cider -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 21:02:20)

@Noobernaut Fusion

I think you have a point. And if I understand you, I agree with you. People should not play five focus just for robots, they should play it for flexibility and diversity it offers.

@Mother1

So your saying the most important balance change we should make right now is for the lower levels, keeping them from stat abusing. Well, considering how powerful stats are with my idea, I am making a quick change to the health and energy, so they do not get left behind and maybe that would slow down the stat abusing?



Mother1 -> RE: Some stat shuffling and end to focus (4/2/2013 21:33:56)

@ cider

I was bring up how your balance ideas for higher levels could affect lower levels as well. I mean think about it. If lower level players are OP with these stat abuse builds due to lower defenses and less health without you changes think about how OP they will be they will be with these balance changes.

Not to mention you are nerfing tech into the ground while overpowering dex and support. I case you haven't noticed anything that can be abused to get wins people will jump to like vultures to a rotten carcass. Proof of this is when Strength BM was so OP that more then half of the community became them to get quick wins. Then there was the strength abuse build in the beginning of omega followed by support abuse after the yeti tournament started.

Also many player use focus 5 for this purpose yet several individuals what focus nerfed because everyone is using it for that purpose.



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