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rayniedays56 -> Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 14:21:29)

Hey guys. We al have seen focus builds rule right now in Omega (I use a technology abusive focus build for BH and am doing great). So, my thoughts are this:

Since all damage stats have been nerfed, how about we nerf focus a bit to encourage creativity within the game? Here is what I suggest:


Right now, focus is obtained by:
25 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 1 (+6 Robot Damage)
30 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 2 (+12 Robot Damage)
35 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 3 (+18 Robot Damage)
40 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 4 (+24 Robot Damage)
45 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 5 (+30 Robot Damage)


How about instead, it do this:

25 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 1 (+5 Robot Damage)
30 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 2 (+10 Robot Damage)
35 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 3 (+15 Robot Damage)
40 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 4 (+20 Robot Damage)
45 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 5 (+25 Robot Damage)
50 Stat Points in Strength, Tech, Dex, and Support: Level 6 (+30 Robot Damage)


Yes, I have added a six focus. However, as you can see, I have nerfed each level of focus, making it a little harder to abuse certain builds. However, I have kept +30 robot damage, but it will take players a bit more to be able to use it.

I just tested, and I can obtain 6 focus with 15-18 robot damage, however, my HP and EP suffered, so it can't be abused MUCH to my knowledge.


Thoughts?



ansh0 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 15:29:41)

How about focus only working is you have 45,25,30 etc. stats in all.

If all of them are not exactly those, its not counted as focus.

I.E

45-45-45-45

Will be counted as 5 focus.


45-45-69-45

Will be counted as 0 focus.




Mother1 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 18:34:17)

@ Raynie

This should be in the balance section of the site since it is an idea of balance. Also no offense to this idea but for now it is only a temporary band aid like agility was some time ago. For now it could work however when more levels or other balance changes come this may become nothing.

@ ansho

Not supported. Focus already gives up extreme power to be focus builds you idea would be nerfing focus into the ground so I would sooner support raynie idea rather then this one.

Off topic

while I see my share of focus builds, I also see other builds as well and even as a focus 5 myself they sometimes kick my can due to extreme luck factors. Plus the only reason it is like this now is because people (won't say no names) complained until it became like this.



NDB -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 19:41:02)

Hm... ever think about low level players? Plus, Robot is also only relatively OP nowadays because they made everything else scale slower. Strength/Support scaling: 0-54;4.5-->54-84;6-->84-???;8 Robot: 0-55=5-->55-85=6-->85-???=7
So yeah... maybe 0-55;5-->55-85;7-->85-???;9?



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 19:49:30)

Omg do not nerf focus -__-

Focus is fine, we need to find a way to buff other builds without touching focus. And like NDB said, how will the low level players get focus now, even with varium?



NDB -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 19:51:33)

How do you buff every single other build out there without creating chaos???



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 19:53:18)

@NDB

Easy

Lower diminish slightly and VOILA! No abuse builds, but people can have high stats now too.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 22:23:05)

Actually, this would easily be fixed by reducing diminishing stats by 0.5-1.5 stat points per 1 strike/aux damage.



Mother1 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/16/2013 23:22:52)

@ exploding

Problem with this is many times when the staff does changes it is never how anyone truly wants them. They either overshoot when they buff (Plasma bolt, a year ago, and bloodlust recently) Or they over nerf (Diminishing returns) to the point where nothing is truly balanced.



rayniedays56 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/17/2013 14:04:25)

@dual thrusters

The nerf will only be seen by -5pts of damage if you keep the "5 focus" amendum. If you wish to keep +30 damage, you will need to add extra. My idea was to make it less abusive.


And yes mother1, I understand it is currently only a temporary bandaid. Why, though, can we not add extra focus as the levels increase? A 7 focus will give us +35 robot damage, but I say we won't see that until level 40.


And honestly, do you understand how hard it is to maintain a focus build on a low level? I managed it as a technology abusive merc and was wiping away classes with my +18 damage, so this is another reason it needs nerfed a bit.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/17/2013 14:32:17)

HP just needed to be increased.

HP was too low, so its making builds like focus builds seem OP.
same for massacre and other str builds. HP was too low, so it made these things look "OP"

and as mother1 said, they tend to overshoot things

for example, Cyber hunter back in Delta.
class wasn't as bad as people made it out to be (i had 94% builds with CH pre-PA) but the devs went on and added plasma armor to it, making it ridiculously OP compared to the others.



rayniedays56 -> RE: Slight nerf to focus (4/18/2013 10:43:16)

quote:

for example, Cyber hunter back in Delta.
class wasn't as bad as people made it out to be (i had 94% builds with CH pre-PA) but the devs went on and added plasma armor to it, making it ridiculously OP compared to the others.


You don't know how much I agree with this xD I miss CH without Plasma Armor, but oh well now :/


And yes, I agree that HP needs increased, but honestly, lets look at robot damage.


**I will use my 5 focus as an example**


At the fault of sacrifising HP by 8-10 points, I am able to make an extremely strong robot build.

Currently, I can make a 16-20(technology boost)+15(omega baby yeti damage)+30(focus damage)


This comes to 31-35+30 robot damage, or to put it, 26-30+35 damage (what an extreme case of strength abuse would see)


I say a SMALL nerf, one like I said, would make robot damage a little less OP. Because honestly, I have tried to make nice builds. I have moderate success with dex abuse and tank smoke, but it is just...very weak.



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