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Ranloth -> Poison Spores (4/20/2013 9:11:50)

Some people find it OP, some don't. Biased or not, it may hold some truth. Who knows.

As we know, Poison can be cleansed if you Heal which is the reason why Toxic Grenade and Venom have received a mini buff. Then comes the new Bot. It goes off by Focus which is fine for a Bot, 60% of the damage goes to DoT over course of 4 turns (15% per turn) which with Focus 5 will give you 8-10 DpT for 4 turns, for the total of 32-40 damage. Just like ~max Venom/Toxic.
There's a catch. One costs Energy and other is 'free'. But that's also fine because one is a class skill and other is a Bot. But one is reusable as long as you have EP and other is every 4 turns (or 3 if cleansed). EP is finite, Bots cannot be disabled.

There's one simple nerf-buff that could be good for the Bot, before it gets out of hand and players start saying that Devs cannot release anything properly. *if the point isn't raised properly, nerf won't be proper either* How about we go for making the DoT once per battle but it cannot be cleansed by the likes of Heal. So once used, you're stuck with it until the end of the battle. It's still 32-40 damage dealt regardless of defences, so good on tanks and not so useful on glass cannons, although still holds some merit against those.
How is it a nerf-buff? First of all, it cannot be cleansed so it'll deal full Poison damage over the course of 4 turns thus a buff. Nerf because it cannot be repeated.

Why would this be one of the best solutions? If you nerf the % or change the way it works - i.e. just Focus on it's own - then it'll affect lower levels as well and render it useless until higher level. Whilst with this, you get full damage out of the Poison but only once per battle. It's still useful to have a Poison skill, especially if your class does not have it. Those who have Venom/Toxic can still find it useful, depends on their build, really.

To summarise, Poison Spores would be:
  • Useable once per battle.
  • Cannot be cleansed.

    Simple as.




  • Sensei Chan -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 9:19:22)

    Hello Trans
    What I Was Thinking Is Make The Poison Not Be Affected By Heal Or Cleanse But It Can Be Only Used Once Per Battle.




    Mother1 -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 9:39:25)

    I have this same issue with the bot as well so I can support this idea as well.




    suboto -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 10:56:31)

    make the bot useable only once per battle..... active core should all remain one time battle use...




    Leprechaun -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 11:04:12)

    How do you use it people? It is barely useful for me >O>




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 11:22:44)

    Currently, it's gotta be timed. Especially in 2v2 so it won't be cleansed but it works like charm. 3 times in one battle for me was nice, only cleansed once half-way through it. This would be a nerf-buff, as I've said. Once per battle (nerf) but not being able to get rid of it unlike now (buff), thus easier to use it at any time of the battle. Just gotta know when since you only can do it once with this change.




    ansh0 -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 11:58:00)

    Not supported, the poison initial already does 3 damage.

    You can malf the opponent/Override him to reduce poison damage or use heal.




    EpicIsEpic -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 17:39:16)

    Not supported UNLESS
    Why?
    I had IA first time it was released ya know the story... So they made the robot weaker and they didn't refound anything IK its not a lot but for nonvarium it is pretty annoying and if you paid real money it is even worse.
    Id support if i get a refound since it is unfair That I Paid for a thing that i could properly use for phew days.
    Why dont they have a refound system since they are making so many mistakes *cough azreals will cough*
    Even tho i know why you want it nerfed and i hope you undertstand we(people who bought it) wouldnt like our 45K credits/1,9k var get WASTED.
    Please understand that it is in a promo and I highly dought they will change it since people paid 50$ (with the armor)
    Just my thoughts.




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 18:27:07)

    Just so you know: Whether you paid money or not, they can change it if it's deemed necessary. I'm not saying it's OP now. The only occassion when it is would be long battles when you can use it three or even four times. That's why I made a short statement in my first post, it's in the first sentence.

    What could make it OP would be battle length. Loopable Poison could potentially be harmful since you cannot avoid it once you're outta EP (to use Heal; cleanse). My opinion whether it's OP or balance is split. Whilst I find it balanced, some find it too strong. Thus, if needed, compromise would be necessary to benefit both sides hence the nerf-buff.




    Drianx -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 18:30:30)

    Why is this nerf-buff needed again? I read it carefully but couldn't get that.

    I don't have the promo and don't intend to, just asking.




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 18:32:17)

    Because some find the Poison to be too much due to being useable once per battle. Drawback is cleansing which negates the Poison. But Poison is free (no EP cost) whilst Heal is not and amount of EP is finite to cast it. My opinion about it is split. I could see the potential to abuse but I don't see it as harmful on any major scale.

    Nerf-buff is basically once per battle (nerf) and cannot be cleansed (buff) unlike now.




    Drianx -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 18:38:40)

    I got the mechanics you suggested the first time.

    But since it hasn't been proven as harmful for balance yet, I'd say not touch it. I kinda like the idea of it making the opponent to reconsider the next moves mid-battle and decide to heal. It brings some diversity, whereas the suggestion's outcome would just make it a... simple DoT.




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 18:42:07)

    Yeah. The change to Heal was probably the reason why it's fine to have Poison Spores to be useable more than once per battle - it's a counter that completely gets rid of the effect, unlike other Bots which cannot be countered as such.

    It will only be too powerful when the battle draws out for too long or enemy is outta EP (to Heal (cleanse)). Apart from that, Bot is perfectly fine. In my opinion that is.




    kosmo -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 21:20:42)

    I find it much more fair the way it is.You can heal if u want to cancel the poison effect and u can emp if u dont want opponent to heal, offering a good counter strategy to both sides.Plus making it reusable is only a buff to non-focus builds.




    Thesoulweaver -> RE: Poison Spores (4/20/2013 23:48:50)

    Here is my idea -
    Immunity - Each time you use it, its power goes down by 10%. That way, the more you use it, the weaker it gets.
    Leppy, Since you don't use focus, poison wil not work well for you.




    Stabilis -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 0:14:51)

    And remember a real poison skill devours 10 of your skill points.




    Leprechaun -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 2:51:42)

    I think it is good as it is. The tanks TLM abuse their immortality well this core helps me a lot vs tanks :D




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 7:14:33)

    But their immortality is also crushed through Poison; goes through defences + doesn't give them EP back via Reroute. :P




    EpicIsEpic -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 7:19:37)

    @trans and poison doesn't kill.
    You must be 5 foucus to have it do ''ok'' damage it can easly be countered by heal AND you can't use IA also it buffed defensive builds.
    So now i can win tanks not beeing 5 foucus which is wierd since no1 shuld be good unless they have 5 foucus.




    Ranloth -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 7:44:45)

    Yes, I am aware of Heal being a counter to it unlike other Bots. I've already said few times, that personally, I don't find it OP with possible exception of abuse in long battles, where you can easily use Poison Spores more than three times. Although the 4 turns it takes may average it out instead, which makes it less powerful unless you give in to its full effect (Poison's).




    theholyfighter -> RE: Poison Spores (4/21/2013 7:56:50)

    Don't think it's needed...




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