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Warmaker04 -> Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 8:49:23)

Now deflection attacks does 50% damage of normal gun/aux dmg.

Lets make it 55% or 60% or 65% . what do u think?

Because in 2vs2 1 deflect ( on rage ) is nearly enough to ruin the battle. ( Ofc not if u use azrael will ). Now a days with these cores and casters, deflects happen too often.

Casters , assimilation, defense matrix , reroute.

Example :
A mage have 120-150 tech, and Deflection core.
Seriously its really more than 50% the deflection change.

And if the person have energy primary against the caster mage = caster win most of times. cuz the energy primary will do 5 or 6 on 120 tech - 150 tech and probably his psy gun and aux gonna deflect most of the time

Lets make the deflects to do higher damage than half.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 9:31:16)

Nope, deflection chance cant go higher then 31% (25% is max, add Deflection shield of 6% and its 31%).
Even if, blocks are way more devastating as it only deals 15%, thats nothing in comparison to Deflections which still deals 50%.
And also, maximum block chance is 49% (35 max, 10% of SA and 4% of Ninja reflexes) which makes blocks still way worse then deflections.

So no, deflections are fine as of now in comparison to blocks due to it dealing more damage and less chance to occur.



Warmaker04 -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 9:45:57)

okay 31% but thats not really little. Casters still deflect way too much, and with these op skills. even more OP.
31% is deflect and 50% is block.

Yeah but that 49% block = does 3 - 6 damage
that 31% deflect does = half of ur range weaps. ( that means if u use 2 or 3 times you gun or aux they will deflect, unless you are lucky. and casters can heal loop so another 2 gun or aux hits then deflect. Some times i did 5 deflects in row on caster.
Rage infernal bot = easily avoid by deflect.

We are talking for deflects not for blocks atm but its ok
still the deflects must have a little higher damage instead half. maybe 2% or 3% more damage, but its still something




Ranloth -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 9:57:08)

So deflection change due to Casters? Shouldn't you deal with Casters rather than change deflections for everyone? That's not how balance works.

Also, mind you, not everyone have SA so it'll be 39% for blocks and 31% for deflections. And blocks do scale slower than deflections as well so it's harder for a bigger difference than if you were to invest in Tech for deflections. And not everyone have cores either, thus max will go down to 35% and 25% for respectable effects.



Warmaker04 -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 10:49:06)

To be right Trans, look at other posts, before this one. Everyone have a problem with casters. Most of people are trying to nerf casters, cuz of the tech. Look that. if u are caster u can have lvl 4 plasma and it still does 40 damage while they recover the energy consumed from the bolt easily then Heal. And then an rage gun or aux = probably deflect...

Its not only me who have this problem. ( can you explain * How we can deal with casters? * )


Its easy to say. Please Tell me any build which works against casters. ( for all classes ).

List me : Merc build, BH build and BM build
And the deflect buffs aren`t only for casters. There are surgical tech users which also does deflect attacks alot.

Well casters dont need * Cores * to be OP. Have you been a tech mage in omega?



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 10:50:21)

^ Thats why i said maximum, not average.
Im not a hunter myself so im fully aware of my block chance potentien.

Warmaker
They deflect 2/3? Thats hard to believe since the max is 31% which isnt even 1/3.
Consider yourself lucky/unlucky.
And still, it should not be increased, if you hate to get deflected then use melee attacks or undeflectable moves.
Andif youre looking for a build to beat casters, i suggest you to ask it Battle Strategy forum.



Warmaker04 -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 11:00:25)

2/3 is by luck. I know its around 1/3 , 1/4 , but what u mean * consider ur self - lucky/unlucky? Is this game for how skilled u are or how lucky u are?.

quote:

And still, it should not be increased, if you hate to get deflected then use melee attacks or undeflectable moves.

what if the person have 0 energy? * no unblockable moves *. what if u have energy weap? * low dmg * then deflect.
That point for undeflectable moves works only in first 3 turns before u get assimilated. and down to 0 energy.

After that the mage will just heal loop and use his bolt.

well it must be 1/4. But for alot of people is 2/3, since its too much up to luck. you can even deflect in your first turn.
Against casters it depends how lucky u are mostly of the times.

Even if i post , they wont answer me probably 100% cause there arent so much builds to beat casters.
I asked for builds so many times in battle strategy before omega, but nobody even looked at the post, and they just deleted them cause its inactive



Sensei Chan -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 11:03:59)

I Dislike It When People Put There Needs In Front Of Others Just Because Your Having Trouble Being Deflected You Want To Change Deflection Chance Or Somthing? And Another Thing Maybe You Should Try Using EMP Grenade On Tech Mage Caster?



Warmaker04 -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 11:16:23)

I dislike it when people are OPped like mages and want to protect their build from nerf to remain overpowered.

Anyway this was just a suggestion, and it is not me only who is having problem with being deflected.
I`m pretty sure nobody likes it when they get deflected in most important ways.

Emp grenade huh? what happens with reroute and assimilation?. BMs dont have EMP grenades or anything. Mercs can block their atom smasher. they still can recover the stolen energy from emp easily.

Look the last topic of casters.







Ranloth -> RE: Deflection attacks Buff? (4/23/2013 11:36:06)

But the problem with your suggestion is: You wanna change deflections because of Casters being OP. Deflections will affect everyone. So why not just change Casters? You're going for a round-about method of nerfing Casters which may not affect them as much as other players.



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