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H O L L O W -> High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 1:32:27)

Hi, I have lately been seeing alot of TM's using a build similiar to the old Strength BM build. This build is basically a 3 hit kill. The thing that makes is possible is the azreal pistol. They basically just put everything into strength and supp. Extremely high sup means they go first. They malf u, doing decent damage because of their high strength. Then u get one chance to do an attack, and after that they use pistol special to make you strike, so that you can't kill them (and it also does ALOT of damage). Then they just finish you off with their aux. I have been seeing many TM's at the top of the Leader-board using this build. Being a bounty, I have not found one counter to this build yet. If i try putting up shield after they malf, they simply use azreal aux special and take it away. If i try to smoke, they pistol, forcing me to strike and then they kill me. If i try to heal, they just keep attacking and kill me in two hits. This game is supposed to be about strategy and there is nothing strategic in using a 3 hit kill build with OP weps to ensure victory. The only time I ever beat these people is if I get lucky and block, but I dont want to have to rely on luck to win so please fix this. I know that alot of others are also getting very frustrated by getting beat by this OP build.



master x guardian -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 1:44:49)

The build you see most people complain about on TMs is the Caster Mage. Personally, I don't immediately see much of an issue with the build you just described. In the post-Omega environment, we have far fewer stats to invest in things and therefore, attaining that high of offensive power means that their defense is quite crippled. Due to high diminishing returns on strength and support, their health can't possibly be too high either.

However, I will say that this build does sound fairly overwhelming after some thought, but I don't think it's necessarily the Azrael weapons that do it, as you believe it is. Rather, I believe it is because that debuffs give far too much for their cost. While our overall stat points were decreased thus lowering our offensive and defensive power, the scaling on the debuffs has not changed at all (Malfunction being the exception but that was just to bring it in line with Smoke Screen).

Personally I believe they both need looking into because both defensive debuffs:
1) Provide a strike while weakening your opponent simultaneously.
2) Boost rage of user.

Due to diminishing returns on support, players are forced to allocate A LOT of stats into it if they want a powerful Aux. Since the scaling on Malfunction has changed very little, this excess of Support means that you are losing A LOT of defense, even for Delta standards. On average, Malfunction and Smoke Screen seem to take away around 36-40 stat points at very low investment levels.



Mother1 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:00:45)

I can think of a few counters to this build. Here is one I thought of. Use the yeti's special to remove their gun and aux after then malf you, and since they will already have low dex use smoke to make their defenses weaker as well as increase your chances to block. you will still have a few turns before their weapons come back so use this time to take them down and run out the malf.

Another counter I use as a TM against support builds abusing this promo is to put up a shield after they malf me. Sure the shield itself will be weakened, but in doing so they wasted their aux doing only 85% damage effectively taking away one of their strongest weapons.



NDB -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:45:21)

^not everyone uses the yeti and doing 85% damage is well worth the 10+ damage the gain from the next hits. Plus a lot of them have max bludgeon and not all classes have Energy Shield/Technician (which is kinda crappy anyway)



Dual Thrusters -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:45:57)

Yes! Battlemage is rising to the top >:D

It's not Op, it's just really effective. And it isn't focus! (Well mine is :p)



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:51:23)

A friend of mine made a very effective Anti Sup/Str TM build over here.
He never lost from such a build so this build can be countered.



santonik -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:55:05)

im very trouble against them. Malf destoy my defence then they attack gun/aux and something strong maybe meteor core. I dont have changes counter them anything way. Im play mercenary.



King FrostLich -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 2:55:42)

That is the fastest build I can take down and I'm a cyber hunter. The only problem is getting critted or a plasma meteor.



Necromantres -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 9:23:29)

when he heal..the mage should made him atack with azael core and than try to finish him or heal



Melbourne -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 10:06:50)

I actually as a level 32 find this quite easy to kill as a TLM (not surgical build) Get enough defense and they don't do much because of the effect of diminishing stats...



ale6300 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 10:56:05)

This build is the prefectly counter to any 5 focus build an the bane of the 5 focus BH they are extremely hard to defeat, the best strategy is to going full offensive smoke, strike, strike or meteor shower (dont use any physical gun or aux because you can be deflected easily)



Sensei Chan -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 11:11:44)

There Are Not Many Counters For Mercenary On This Build As They Have No Shields To Counter The Malfunction Also I'm Blood Mage And I Always Get Beaten By Them Guys Its Because They Can Nerf Are Shields With There Aux And Then Use The Azreal Gun Ability Then After That They Get Rage And Kill You.
I'm Happy You Complained About This Build Because I'm Thinking The Same Thing I Didn't Want To Make A Thread About This Because It Would Ruin My Popularity And People Would Attempt To Troll Me And Make Me Look Like A Total Idiot That Complains All The Time.
That Is Why I Never Make Any Threads Of My Own Anymore Because People Say Things That Make Me Seem Stupid [8|].



Ranloth -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 11:47:16)

The build is fine. I use Hazard Bot which is Poison thus not as efficient on low defences but my other attacks make up for it, blockable or not. Shielding works quite well when you get Malfed and blocks/deflections can aid you even further. With Yeti, it's much easier but for me, I have Hazard and not relying on the Poison.

It's good to see some variety at least.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 19:30:50)

Battle mage isn't necessarily OP. I don't like fighting them because it just turns into a luck fight of whether or not I deflect them, or whether or not they don't crit me. The build itself has only a decently average ratio, but I personally dislike fighting them because it's pretty much a luck fight.



goldslayer1 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 19:34:45)

how is this build OP?
it gets terrible %. just because you cant beat it, doesn't mean its OP.
if anything, its more of an indication that azrael is the problem.

this build would be even more terrible (and more luck reliant, since they have bad dex) if it wasn't for azrael.



NDB -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 20:59:15)

^Its not OP but it doesn't mean its balanced. As a 5 focus BH, the ones with Azrael weps (most of them do btw) are 100% unbeatable unless you block or get extremely lucky in some other way. I can see how they are bad and end up with 50-70% win rates, it is still very frustrating to fight them.



goldslayer1 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 21:03:56)

@NBD
the build still gets terrible %.
the only reason its useable for is if your going for speed.
and its only fast because its a byproduct of the current balance (low hp, luck factors, and cores)
same as the str mercs, all speed no efficiency.



NDB -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 21:09:36)

^did u read it? I said
quote:

I can see how they are bad and end up with 50-70% win rates



Tushar -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/25/2013 21:52:51)

You can use yeti... I do it the most then i debuff myself...



H O L L O W -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 1:18:03)

@goldslayer

Dude, have you checked the LB recently? Half the members from Vivid have changed into TM in favor of that build. It gets extremly fast kills and they sometines have over an 80 win percentage. Also, as a focus bounty who doesnt have azreal it is literally impossible for me to beat them without a crit or block.



H O L L O W -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 1:23:05)

@NDB

70 percent is actually quite good for Omega considering all the luck factors. Having a fast kill build that can get that high of a percentage is whats making TM's dominate the LB.



edwardvulture -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 2:37:42)

@Thrusters, this is a glass cannon, not a battlemage. I have a battlemage build.



goldslayer1 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 2:46:33)

quote:

Dude, have you checked the LB recently? Half the members from Vivid have changed into TM in favor of that build. It gets extremly fast kills and they sometines have over an 80 win percentage. Also, as a focus bounty who doesnt have azreal it is literally impossible for me to beat them without a crit or block.

we get the point, u dont know how to counter the build. but theres no need to exaggerate the winning %s.

i saw E Z R A with the build ur describing, and he's getting 58%.
comical had a similar 60% aswell.



Sensei Chan -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 3:37:14)

Comical Biker Is A Tactical Mercenary On Surgical Strike Build!



goldslayer1 -> RE: High Strength/Supp TM (4/26/2013 3:46:23)

@sensei
he was a tech mage last i saw him (which was like 2 days ago)



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