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edwardvulture -> Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 3:26:59)

It was just stuck there so that the class wouldn't be as "oped" back in delta, it should be replaced with something that will actually help the class. It never gets to good damage evenif you spam dex.



Mother1 -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 3:36:31)

They were trading one stun move for another so it was between plasma gernade stun grenade, and overload. Personally I think plasma gernade would have been better since due to mineral armor most Tactical merc's don't even use dex like that.



Melbourne -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 7:24:45)

While plasma would have created better synergy I actually found stun to be extremely helpful when I used it. :P



Silver Sky Magician -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 7:54:02)

I totally agree. For that matter, we might want to replace Plasma Grenade on CH and Stun Grenade in general. Let's get the scaling up to Overload level (or is that already the case?)



Darkwing -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 8:24:28)

to bring it to same damage as overload, you would have to give it a weapon requirement, since the 2 grenades can be used even with swords.



Sensei Chan -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 13:59:55)

Would You Rather Have Plasma Grenade? [:D]



sky222 -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 15:38:12)

Its not just that;grenades are all useless



EpicIsEpic -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 16:07:25)

They are supposed to be last resolt of luck e.g. i have 1 hp after azreals will and ia on rage. U throw grenade (increase rage) If it stuns you have rage ia back othervise you are doomed since even blocks wouldn't save you!



edwardvulture -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 18:39:47)

Well, the grenades are more useful on BH's and Ch's because they have malf and Smokescreen.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/29/2013 18:57:10)

Replacing Stun with Plasma? Probably never going to happen.

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As a Cyber Hunter, you will be able to use the Plasma Grenade, which explodes on contact- injuring your enemy with a 30% chance to stun!


Plasma is Cyber's move. It would be like replacing Plasma Cannon with bunker buster for blood mage.

quote:

As a Blood Mage, you will be able to use the devastating Plasma Cannon, which includes a 25% chance for critical strike and ignores 20% of your opponent’s resistance.


Talms already have poison grenade, which is a very good skill to spam.

quote:

intellectual citizens were forced to work in the mines, and were able to create tactical weaponry from the mining tools- such as the Toxic Grenade which has an unblockable Damage Over Time effect.


Lol, do you also want to replace atom smasher with EMP grenade?

Stun Grenade is fine as it is IMO.



Silver Sky Magician -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 12:02:24)

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Well, the grenades are more useful on BH's and Ch's because they have malf and Smokescreen.


No. The opportunity cost is too high; it is far better, in terms of damage, to simply use a weapon, whether or not the opponent is nerfed. The skill remains virtually useless.



ansh0 -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 12:14:34)

TLM's need a nerf, not a buff.




edwardvulture -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 17:09:46)

^ The only working build is the 5 bonus surgical strike build.



ansh0 -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 17:58:35)

Exactly, buffing stun nade would be a DIRECT buff to TLM(and BH)

Even if you replace it, a direct buff to 5 focus.



hijinks -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 18:15:42)

To be honest, Stun Grenade is useless on both TLM and BHs. I don't see many invest points in the thing, in fact, I'm wondering if I should just move the skill point to some other skill that might have more use.



caser5 -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 19:30:16)

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Talms already have poison grenade, which is a very good skill to spam.


This made me laugh a bit, poison grenade still, well, sucks. It costs too much mana for the damage, it can easily be disabled using any of the Several mana stealers. One would think MAX would bring 39 extra damage, but when you take about 15 away (from the first strike, not the 25% or so ignored from a strike but the damage one could do without striking or poisoning) it brings in only about 24 extra damage over normal which is mediocre. Compare that to Surgical Strike which hits 25-30 extra damage, rage steals and gives life back. Normally poison would be more even on account of it's lower mp cost but both can be easily taken b/c there are so many methods to steal mana.

Stun Grenade is like pre-buff assimilation.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Stun Grenade is useless on tact merc (4/30/2013 20:17:02)

@caser5: Poison grenade at levels 7-ish is pretty useful given the right build type. It's a versatile skill which many people have problems countering. Poison is also one of the best ways to counter caster mages as it does good damage against their tanky defenses and ignores reroute. Since toxic grenade's cooldown is minimal, if an opponent heals out of it all you have to do is use it again.



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