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ansh0 -> Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:05:40)

With promos like Azrael, forcing people to change to BH/TLM, forcing people to buy new bots to stay competitive.

Is EpicDuel Pay2Win?



Ranloth -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:09:49)

I'm a Blood Mage with Botanical Hazard (Yeti prior to the release) and no Azrael, yet I still win. I wasn't even forced to change nor buy the new promos.



Necromantres -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:10:19)

somehow yes. varium should be a shortcut but you can see its outcome...however you can't blame anyone...how else is epicduel supposed to make money?



ale6300 -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:12:32)

No, In Delta you need to buy constantly New items to stand a chance again Full Varium Players and for a non varium players are closely impossible to defeat varium players, yes the azrael weapons are OP but are an advantage for paying 50$.



ansh0 -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:14:01)

^I am myself a Varium user, I am fine with it being a shortcut but how Azrael promos went is completely ridiculous.

By the way, devs don't make money with varium, Artix does.

Devs have fixed salaries.

Devs won't be affected even if Varium sales were at an all-time low, it's Artix who's going to be affected.


Or so I think.



xGreen Warriorx -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 16:23:02)

ED has always been pay to win, but now its closer to pay to win more. I'm having no problems winning, and I haven't bought any var since Bionic Battalion.



Sageofpeace -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 17:12:58)

LOL you most be new in the game, right now nonvaruim player are just as good as varuim player,

before novaruim player were like as easy as NPC

and the game was really expensive for such a crappy game and is it is



goldslayer1 -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 17:18:40)

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how else is epicduel supposed to make money?

by making a better game?



EnlightenedSpirit -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 17:19:57)

^this



Mother1 -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 17:27:49)

Epic duel has almost always been like this. When I started higher level varium players would clobber non varium due to power advantage, now due to changes made in omega, if you by varium at low levels you are instantly more powerful then any non varium players since you will not only have more powerful cores from promos, but you will be able to get cores real quick where as those who have to play to get credits will have to be punching bags to these players due to having full equipment, but cores most lower levels don't have yet.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 18:38:44)

If you save your credits then no



Xendran -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 18:45:39)

Epicduel has always been pay2win...



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 18:50:03)

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Epicduel has always been pay2win...


Well DestruRage always seemed to be a good player. And also WhiteTiger



kosmo -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 19:22:18)

I ve been nonvar since Beta and I remember what it used to mean to stand no chance what so ever.For example when Gamma bot came out and enchancment where brought it was a pain to play this game, so I dont bother so much on people having the arezel promos now that battles are finally fair for evryone.However I still think that Arzel s will needs a fix because of how it works expecially with the advantage of 1st turn.



Xendran -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 19:56:45)

Just because there were skilled non variums doesn't change whether or not the game is pay2win.
If you pay real cash for any form of battle advantage that is not available to free players, the game is pay2win.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 20:06:04)

nope not at all, i wonder where you guys got such a silly idea from, i have got the omega promo, botanical battle suit promo, bionic battlegear, platinum's pride, dragon buster 2 and slayer armor and infernal interdictor, but i only use the omega promo that's all and i still managed to defeat those with the latest azrael promo, botanical battlegear ETC.... even non varium-players can defeat me, i agree that when the azrael promo was first released, it was OP but that was because that they didn't plan it out properly and didn't fix the stat progressions to match omega's system, varium only gives you time advantage and a slight power boost both strategy wise and stat wise, but nothing too severe.



Xendran -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 20:13:24)

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varium only gives you time advantage and a slight power boost


ANY power boost constitutes pay2win.
You pay money so that you can win more than the people who don't pay money.
You pay to win more often.



kosmo -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 20:30:56)

Without ANY promo against arzel will you are forced to use certain skills and stats so you can just choose between a few builds.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 20:39:00)

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ANY power boost constitutes pay2win.
You pay money so that you can win more than the people who don't pay money.
You pay to win more often.

that's the case with all previous phases but not for omega phase, my non-varium alt does fine with varium players in battle, beat them most of the time, 65% win rate for me.



Drianx -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 21:08:00)

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that's the case with all previous phases but not for omega phase

Funny thing is, during other phases you could just NPC and have a perfect 0 losses non varium character, whereas in Omega you can't.

There are various excuses left and right but still one cannot deny the obvious.



Stabilis -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 21:12:38)

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Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win?


Pay-2-win? Well, if you count being able to get anything instantly without having to play, then yes it is paying to win. Though, being able to outmatch someone who has never paid, is nonexistent with the varium balancing. I do not disfavour that though, I prefer where battles are calculated by what happens in a battle in place of what happens outside of a battle before it even begins.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 23:19:30)

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varium should be a shortcut but you can see its outcome

I see varium players having something a year earlier, what is the problem?
Next year, everyone will have azreals, which would get game-breaking for those f2p'ers who do not got enough credits..

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a slight power boost both strategy wise and stat wise

It does not.
Currently, there are no Var cores which are more powerfull as Credit cores.
Because Azreals Will/Curse are not Varium only as they will return next year in credit version.
Which makes Varium a shortcut, and a shortcut only. (1 year is much but it still only is a shortcut).
Cores such as the Bionics do look better due to the 3% more damage, but.
If you calculate it, they do not add more than 1 damage extra to the attack then the Meteor's which isnt exactly a power advantage if you ask me..
36*1.13 = 41
36*1.10 = 40
But hey, what did you expect, these cores were released during the time Varium should still have given a Power advantage.
If they were to make the Meteor's deal the same, than it would be False marketing which is illegal as i remember..

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during other phases you could just NPC and have a perfect 0 losses non varium character, whereas in Omega you can't.

And this matters..?
Epicduel is a PvP game, not a PvE game.
NPC's should have never counted to your PvP record, as it is not no where near a PvP battle.

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by making a better game?

This.
I agree with this, they did not had to make the azreal gun to get their profit.
I see people enough with the Botanical's (armor/weapons)
Only due to Azreal's will being OP, the majority thinks Var is still neccasary to win, but its not as it comes back next year for Credits which makes it a shortcut and a shortcut only.

Good example is the Pre-order Package.
These items are not OP, yet it sold massively, due to the Golden Yeti Tournament.
Add some tournaments to the game, where players need to pay for and they make the game better and still get their profit without making OP stuff.



zer00x -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 23:44:22)

In my opinion, Delta, was really pay to win, omega, not so much, yeah yeah there are more powerful cores for varium but next year everyone will be able to get them, also i have more chances to defeat varium players in omega than i had in delta



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/1/2013 23:47:14)

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It does not.
Currently, there are no Var cores which are more powerfull as Credit cores.
Because Azreals Will/Curse are not Varium only as they will return next year in credit version.
Which makes Varium a shortcut, and a shortcut only. (1 year is much but it still only is a shortcut).
Cores such as the Bionics do look better due to the 3% more damage, but.
If you calculate it, they do not add more than 1 damage extra to the attack then the Meteor's which isnt exactly a power advantage if you ask me..
36*1.13 = 41
36*1.10 = 40
But hey, what did you expect, these cores were released during the time Varium should still have given a Power advantage.
If they were to make the Meteor's deal the same, than it would be False marketing which is illegal as i remember..

so, that proves that varium players still have the a slight power boost and time advantage, they can use the azrael promo for a year therefore gaining a slight advantage in battle during this year and when next year comes, something better would come and credit players would still have to wait another year for it.
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varium only gives you time advantage and a slight power boost both strategy wise and stat wise, but nothing too severe.

items like the omega promo gives you power boost because of the debuff effect, platinum's pride deals damage and steals rage, only seasonal promos are available for credit players the following year and the upcoming promos with their cores are not going to be available, they would just have to make less seasonal promos and more storyline promos.



Raiii -> RE: Has EpicDuel really become Pay2Win? (5/2/2013 0:23:27)

Hasn't it always been pay2win?

Varium will and forever will be an advantage. It's been accepted by almost everyone, ever since

~Rai



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