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Scyze -> Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 0:32:30)

I am getting frustrated of this Core since I get forced to strike and then I lose since the opponent has rage.

What I'm thinking is that if you use that Core, you do not gain rage for that turn. This allows your foe to do whatever they want to live (or maybe to gamble).



Midnightsoul -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 0:34:45)

You should already be prepared for the core if u see the gun and know how to counter it... :/ I know I have it, but I don't use it all the time



ur going to fail -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 0:45:41)

to work around the core all u need to do is avoid big attacks that win or lose moves. example: high hp (or high heal), tanks, caster TM, incorporate strike more into ur strategy.



Scyze -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 0:46:16)

How do you think I'll know that the opponent has rage? All I'll end up is healing and realising that the opponent doesn't have rage.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 7:17:58)

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You should already be prepared for the core if u see the gun and know how to counter it... :/ I know I have it, but I don't use it all the time


Support merc: goes first and deals like 30 aux
me: attacks
support merc: azrael's will
Support merc: uses rage artillery
*dead*

this isn't just merc its also the same for mage, and some BMs to some degree.
i personally dont like the core.



Exploding Penguin -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/19/2013 11:47:45)

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How do you think I'll know that the opponent has rage? All I'll end up is healing and realising that the opponent doesn't have rage.


Then you have the rightful reason to lose to the core. While I use the core quite often, I rarely fall victim to it unless I'm not paying attention. It's not too hard to predict when your opponent's going to rage.



ED Divine Darkness -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/28/2013 20:49:30)

I agree with penguin[:D]



Scyze -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 0:26:35)

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It's not too hard to predict when your opponent's going to rage.
And this will make the game a guessing game? Guessing still makes the game a bit strategic but still, you want me to guess all the time?

So having the gun adds a tag on your face saying,
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guess when I have rage and heal before I use rage!



Scyze -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 0:55:48)

You don't get the point do you? Read carefully next time.
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Meaning it was designed to for the purpose of making your opponent forced strike for a chance of a block and to make your opponent waste their rage.


When have I said anything that affects my rage? You've said it right there:
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make your opponent waste their rage.
This has nothing to do with the conversation! Use the core and then have a chance to waste your opponent's rage not yours. I meant you cannot predict your opponent's rage with accuracy. I know that it was to block or make your opponent waste their rage but this isn't about you, it's about your opponent who has the gun.

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So basically it sounds like to me you are getting upset at this core because it is doing what it was designed to do.
Whoops, I must've been transported into another galaxy out there in the universe. Was the gun's Core really supposed to make you gain rage if you use the Core?



Mother1 -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 1:06:12)

@ neos

So because you are annoyed with people using a strategic tactic that you don't want to have to counter you want it removed? Sounds very selfish to me IMO.



Scyze -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 1:13:22)

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a strategic tactic
Oh, it's strategic? Strategic enough to make you win a lot? How often do you see people who have that gun not use it? Hmm?

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you don't want to have to counter you want it removed?
What? I don't understand this like the questions in my Biology exam... :/
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you want it removed?
Where have I said I wanted it removed? All I'm suggesting is that you don't gain rage if you use that Core for that turn.



Mother1 -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 1:31:21)

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Oh, it's strategic? Strategic enough to make you win a lot? How often do you see people who have that gun not use it? Hmm?


Actually the last 4 matches I had opponents with this weapon equipped but never use it. As for seeing people use this weapon then rage afterwards don't see it like that.

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Where have I said I wanted it removed? All I'm suggesting is that you don't gain rage if you use that Core for that turn.


When I said removed I wasn't referring to the core. I was referring to the tactic that you want removed because it seems you just can't counter it or deal with it.

But on another note from what I am reading of your OP you want this changed because you find it annoying to deal with since you seem to lose to it a lot but not once have you stated how gaining rage using this core is unbalanced.

At best this could be called a cheap tactic but at the same time it isn't an unbalanced cheap tactic.



kittycat -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 1:38:50)

You just got to predict whats coming and what's not.



Scyze -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 1:51:47)

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As for seeing people use this weapon then rage afterwards don't see it like that.
You don't? OK! Seen those glass cannon TM builds? Most use the Core then use Plasma Meteor or something. Someone like E Z R A never uses it.

Seems like you need to read the OP carefully. How does the OP consist of the fact that I want the Core's tactic removed? What the Core actually is IMO is a free Stun but with the cost of being able to deflect or block. You can gain rage even when you stun someone and this is the one thing I hate. Out of nowhere, a Tactical Mercenary uses Stun Grenade, you're stunned and then uses Artillery Strike on rage. :/

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But on another note from what I am reading of your OP you want this changed because you find it annoying to deal with since you seem to lose to it a lot but not once have you stated how gaining rage using this core is unbalanced.
I don't what the Core itself to be changed. Here:
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All I'm suggesting is that you don't gain rage if you use that Core for that turn.


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At best this could be called a cheap tactic
It is not a cheap tactic. It costs $50. :/ When it comes out next year, I think that it will be nerfed. Something like a 50% chance of forcing your opponent to Strike is what I'm predicting.


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You just got to predict whats coming and what's not.
Well, it's hard at times. You can predict that you opponent will have rage in the next turn (not the one coming up) and then they use the Core, you attack, they use their rage with whatever they can use to hit hard.



DarkDevil -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 2:56:34)

for fact it forces him to attack you so do u expect that it should make u win or smth ?
u use a turn to use the gun for the sake that your opponent wont heal or kill your partner in 2 vs 2 but if he doesnt gain or do rage this means it will do alot more than just a distraction as for the fact its just a core so it doesnt use up energy AND makes you use gun so the turn aint wasted either as u also gain rage when you use it.
so i just think theres no reason for this thread anyway "its a core so it shouldn't do huge effects in fight although it does huge effects especially in the hand of bloodmage in 2 vs 2"



Bloodpact -> RE: Azrael's Will (5/29/2013 3:08:50)

I wear the core and it's so situational, most of the time I don't get to use it
,only on TM's to stop them from healing. which is just countering the heal loop.
Or on a massacre turn to stop them from massacring me.

I don't see y because a core opens up new tactics should lead to it being nerfed o_O
it's plenty fine, people use it on me all the time you should always predict when you
would personally use the core yourself, and adjust your tactics accordingly.

As someone" has said the only time when I have lost to it was when I didn't pay
it enough attention.



ResistTheNWO -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/3/2013 4:54:40)

i SUPPORT this!

i feel yerrr pain.



chusen -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/3/2013 6:52:40)

meh don't nerf the core
people payed money for that
in order to fix this, they need to make a rip off version of the core :D
like lets say the core does 50% of the following and by means this is the rip off version:
50% chance of forcing your opponent to strike
50% chance of kicking you out of the game XD
an oh it costs about 10000 credits :P



Ranloth -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/3/2013 7:18:24)

Balance doesn't compensate for those who cannot find the strategy around the core. If you cannot beat players with it, the problem could be your build. My Focus 4 BM could do it with ease, 1v1 and 2v2 alike, and I've rarely struggled - remember old TLMs with SS and IA (prior to the nerf)? These were beatable for me back then with Azrael weapon, even more so now.



ValkyrieKnight -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/5/2013 15:46:32)

Azreal Core isn't strategic at all, it's one of those pay to win type items. Granted it doesn't automatically give you the win as I trash full str azreal abusers with ease but its still anti everything. People always always manage to shoot me with it just before I use rage its not hard to predict when people will rage. In fact, its very easy. I still prefer the gun core over the aux core, the aux core is just plain stupid. They debuff, you can't do anything after that. You buff, and they shoot it down.

I can overlook the Azreal Will as it only effects those with low str / dex but I hate the aux core with a passion.



DarkDevil -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/6/2013 6:47:46)

removing the rage will just make it OP , maybe if the effect of the forcing got removed and it instead erases rage could be handy but it should NOT do both orelse it will just be OP.
builds should not be built around the core , neither should the core be made to win , it just changing how the fight goes but no core can change how the fight will end , take a look at the other cores the maximum one adds about 5 dmg to your damage and other removes 15 energy and other removes some energy and other puts a skill on CD and other lowers a stat by a very low amount and other increase it by a very low amount.
in short cores are only small buffs they should never be BIG.



chusen -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/6/2013 7:21:15)

^problem is people paid for that stuff because it can force an opponent to strike and they know what kind of benefit they can get :)
so i got a crazy idea :D
why not make it 100% damage again and when it forces the opponent to strike
the target uses its rage if it does have it along with an unblockable and 100% crit strike :D
that could be fun :)



Necromantres -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/6/2013 8:38:49)

or in the forced strike turn you're not affected by any debuff...(i mean for example poison if i'm forced strike that turn the poison won't do any damage or with that energy loss core, i won't lose the 5 energy that turn) and all bufs casted on you won't lose a turn (i.e matrix for 4 turn..if i get forced strike in the fourth my shield will still be there until my turn come again)
I believe this way they won't be as game breaking as before



DarkDevil -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/6/2013 10:55:15)

nah, i disagree with the above cus in 2 vs 2 the buff will last for 2 more turns than the ordinary 1 vs 1 cus u only get a turn every 4 so nah i don't think that will be a good idea.



Frostblitz -> RE: Azrael's Will (6/6/2013 11:28:02)

people payed
a
good 50 bucks for this core. dont just keep nerfing it until its useless. i you want it, buy it ext time! u guys cant sell somtjing really good and then remove its power. then make it only cost 20 dollara ornsomthing. i want a refund



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