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ansh0 -> Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 4:06:21)

For the past few weeks, devs have had near zero interaction with the player base.

Barely any sneak peeks, videos. Nothing at all.



I believe that this is one of the reasons for ED's demise.


What about you?



Mother1 -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 4:11:44)

The staff is working on the dreaded war right now for us as well as other balance changes. With all these things going on for us isn't it obvious that the staff won't have as much time to talk to us especially since they set a deadline for this war for mid to late june?



Mysterion. -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 4:13:52)

They have been extremely busy with developing the Dread War, not to mention the convertion from Passive skills to Actives.
I wouldn't count on much updates these days.

Besides that, they aren't obligated to give us any sneak peeks or anything, they mostly do that out of kindness and compassion.
Also, Goony did say he will try to make a vid over here.
In the meantime, just be patienced.



Charfade -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 7:55:31)

It's true! we've been really really busy on the war!

Also the ED mod/Tester team that was able to do videos before, many of them dont have the time to do them this time around. Since it was all on volunteer, on their extra time/on weekends etc. Many of them are working on several AE games all at once also testing bugs and content. So I can't expect them to release anything in terms of video content and sneak peak releases.

NW and I have been talking about doing some Vine 60 second sneak peak previews here and there. ^^ Which dont require any editing or fancy codex uploading requirements! We've never used it before but its something we can look into.

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For the past few weeks, devs have had near zero interaction with the player base.


I wouldn't say that, Rabble and I have been posting. Maybe not in the GD area but we have been around. We always have twitter which in all honestly is a better way to communicate with us then the forums. Its just much much quicker!



Angels Holocaust -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:03:11)

There isn't just a lack of interaction, there is a lack of leadership in general. They just randomly pull balance updates out of no where and 99 percent of the time it's against the consent of the players. When it comes to balance the devs are always the last to anticipate the repercussions of their involvement. The philosophy of the devs is this " Didn't know anything, anytime about anything anywhere." If they wanted to know how the players felt, just implement an in game voting system that allows the players to vote on the things that they want. I feel as though the updates that are being rammed down our throats are things the devs want and not what's in the best interest of the players.



Khalix -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:17:18)

I remember criticizing them in a long-deleted thread.

Suffice to say, I've given up trying to make them act.



Mysterion. -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:19:06)

@Angels It might be against the will of many players, but that doesnt mean it is not the right thing to do.

Like the enchancements removal, every single varium player raged when they heard it and was fully against this action, yet it is what this game made more strategic and less Pay2Win.

Balance updates are sometimes not right, i have to agree.
The Testing team doesnt seem to put a lot of effort in the balance tests. Like the Assim and BL buff, the Azreal cores and such, they should have been tested with more care.

But updates, alot of things that are of the best interest of the players are impossible or to time-consuming to make, illegal or useless.
The Egg and Spore hunts were quite ''ok'' updates, i hope they can surprise me with the dread war..



Drianx -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:28:02)

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Like the enchancements removal, every single varium player raged when they heard it and was fully against this action

This happened in the land of dreams only.
A crushing majority of variums was excited about enhancements being removed.
Only me and few other outlaws were raging about the compensation amount, but that was about it.



Mysterion. -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:33:16)

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A crushing majority of variums was excited about enhancements being removed.

Haven't seen any varium player you mentioned.

All were sad that they would lose their big advantage.



Q...Q -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:54:26)

There is should be a thread where ideas of balancing could be discuss with the devs, so tuey can ask players how will it works and how could it be different and BETTER.

Sometimes you need to work with players to balance something, not only the testers... Or the devs

@kha

You need to keep crit the devs. You paid for this game so as a client of the game you have he rights to get a good product. Not to mention that is game is SUPER expensive. So dont let your taung in you pocket, help them, critics are the best way to changes things



Ranloth -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 8:56:56)

There is already such "thread", or more like a section. It's called "EpicDuel Balance". Rabble posts every now and then, when necessary. It gives him feedback that is then used and tested with the Testers to see if the change is good or bad. If it's biased, it's gonna be ignored because bias doesn't help in balancing.



Q...Q -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:05:48)

@trans

How many testers does the dev team has?
Every other games have a testing server that player can actually register to test the update or patch.
Devs testers and players should try it out before thy update the whole game.



Ranloth -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:13:00)

After the recent addition to the Testers, I'd say around 10? You can check DNs to see how many new ones were picked or just look at the Wiki.

Every other game =/= ED. You don't really understand how much a server costs since you're thinking about the PTR server to test the changes. It's impossible when there isn't enough money to buy yet another server for sake of testing. Only AQW has it IIRC, and look at its profits and amount of players. It doesn't compare to ED, at all. They should test it, but will they? No, unless PTR server is affordable.

Think realistically. What you want will not always be easy to get.



Q...Q -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:24:14)

10testers.... They base on that to balance the game , im sorry but balancing with only 10 testers will not get you somewhere.

ReListic? Yeah after i spent over 300 $ on this game they cant afford a testing server? Im pretty dessapointed right now.
And im sure im not alone that spent that many over ED. They lost plAyers due to lack of testing the balance with the PLAYERS.
And what they do with all that money that players spend every single update on "special cores" because they only pay for the cores and battle chest for this update.



Mother1 -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:28:35)

@ Q...Q

They lost players to a number of things not just that. Also do you even know what the costs are for that? Just because you spend that much money on the game doesn't mean they have enough people like you to spend money on the game like that. Also last I saw very few people even play right now and the only a minority of players are varium players. The majority are you guessed it free to play players and I don't blame them either.



Khalix -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:30:27)

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You need to keep crit the devs. You paid for this game so as a client of the game you have he rights to get a good product. Not to mention that is game is SUPER expensive. So dont let your taung in you pocket, help them, critics are the best way to changes things


I distinctively remember two threads being deleted, not locked.

That either means they don't want others to see what I wrote, or they want me to shut up. (I have not broken any rules during those posts, as well)

Either way, tis' pointless.



Mysterion. -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:33:39)

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Not to mention that is game is SUPER expensive

It's free, it is up to you if you pay.



Ranloth -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:34:10)

I don't know exactly but what do you expect? These testers are players like yourself, perhaps a bit better and less biased. Mods are also Testers since they do help so that'd make it easily around 15 even. What are you on about with balancing? It's Rabble making the changes and Testers giving back feedback. Then the release is out and ED Balance is for US to give feedback afterwards and skills are adjusted once again if it's deemed necessary.

Hilarious. You think a server costs very little to upkeep it + other game expenses. Right. You really have no idea about the whole topic it seems. It's not cheap as you may think. Your $300 will cover some petty expenses if anything. ED has a set budget thanks to AE. Devs get their wages and they are fixed. Budget is fixed for a year period (usually), it's not easy to buy a server because you can. Learn first to see how it all works. It's not as simple as you may think, really.

Heh, thinking running a business is easy. Good one.



RageSoul -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:44:00)

I don't think being busy at releases should be an excuse .



hijinks -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:45:05)

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Many of them are working on several AE games all at once also testing bugs and content.
Hmmm, I wonder if they get confused and mix up the stuff they test... o.o Well, I would if I was working on several different games.



Q...Q -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 9:56:20)

Devs have fixed wages, hope you know what it means.
In other words you wont get much money if you dont invest in your buiness
Investing in a testing servers for players, could be much more usefull in the futur.
But right now they dont think that way because they have fix wages from artix games from what u said.
They dont want to invest in the game there own money, its a risk to take in EVERY company of this world
If i had a buiness company i would invest my own personal money into it to hope that it wil be succesful
Running a buiness is not diffcult when you have goals attached to it. When you know where you are going with your company. Right now its not the case with ed. What is the main goal of ED ?



Ranloth -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 10:07:08)

No, they still get the money even if they earn less. AE will cover it. Their budget for the following year will go down instead since it was too big to begin with and has created less profit (or a loss). Their wages remain the same.

Stop being so simplistic. You make it look like a child's play and it isn't. AE makes Millions and you say it's easy. It's not a corner shop, it's a big business. ED does not run the company. If you have problems with how money is being used, complain to AE not ED. That's first misconception cleared. Goals don't make running business any easier, these are something you aim for but it doesn't help you in any way? Motivation if anything.

Lol x2.



Mysterion. -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 10:23:56)

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AE makes Millions and you say it's easy.

I doubt that.



ND Mallet -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 10:28:09)

@mysterion There's 12k players on AQW right now. If even half of those spent 5$ today, that would give AE 30,000$ in just one day. Now, imagine a release filled with AC items that will cost over 5$ to get. Many players will want them. It sounds ridiculous to think AE is making millions but on paper it's way more plausible.



Ranloth -> RE: Lack of dev interaction (6/12/2013 10:32:05)

It's interesting. We went from the lack of Dev's interaction in regards to the war, to balance and to financial discussion. If you want to continue it, don't bother since it'll be deleted.

Lol x3



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