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lionblades -> Juggernaut (6/19/2013 10:48:15)

In Jugg, higher level players suffer from diminishing stat returns while lower level juggs not so much. Maybe adjust the stat diminishing somehow. This way, it will not just be a "temporary fix". This barely affects lower lvl juggs who can consistenly get 90% while higher lvl juggs get a slight boost.



Ranloth -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 10:54:24)

That doesn't make the two unequal. Juggernaut is supposed to be hard, not an easy mode like 1v1 or 2v2 may be. You suggest adjusting diminishing returns for sake of Juggernaut, but did you consider what it'll do to the overall balance, including that of in 1v1 and 2v2, not just Juggernaut?

Your suggestion would be a temporary fix that would cause even more imbalance.



lionblades -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 13:25:08)

Lowering diminishing returns doesnt affect 2vs2 and 1vs1 that much
For example: those with higher str due to less diminishing will fight have to fight people with higher defenses as well
It only affects juggernaut where you fight lower lvl people



Mother1 -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 13:35:25)

But it still will affect 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 which is the point trans is bringing up. When you change one thing for one group you affect all that work with it not just that group.



Ranloth -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 13:39:36)

Change to diminishing returns affects everyone, there is no exceptions. You're affecting everyone in ED. What Juggernaut needs is better match-up system (completely revamped, once and for all instead of band aids), instead of temporary fixes that don't change anything but make things worse at times.



Khalix -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 14:03:07)

You want a buff?

I already feel OP as a jugg even without fancy cores.

How about you change builds, eh?



lionblades -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 14:39:11)

Khalix you must be lower lvl because I only average 85% using my max tank jugg build for win ratio



Mother1 -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 14:41:28)

@ lionblades

and that is a bad thing? It shows you are doing well in juggernaut mode if you can avarage 85%.



lionblades -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 14:43:02)

;( ok I guess juggernauts dont need buff although I see lower levels with 96% ratio



Mother1 -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 14:54:42)

@ lionblades

That is due to the power gap with lower level juggernauts versus lower level players.

Most lower levels depending on the range of the opponents don't even have cores or even battle Experience where as the Jug can and most of the time has both. Jugs at higher levels have to face more equipped and experienced opponents.

I remember facing 20 jugs in a row with my level 28 alt and I ended up beating 18 of those jugs (the other 2 I lost due to my partner disconnecting.)



killerman164 -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 17:47:09)

What Mother1 said, 85% is good for lvl35's. If you want 90%+, then study more about the average builds.

And I do admit Juggs can be beatable. The only times I lose is if my partners are either unable to listen, ones that end up d/cing, and the ones that DO NOT have a sidearm and aux.



Khalix -> RE: Juggernaut (6/19/2013 18:00:17)

quote:

Khalix you must be lower lvl because I only average 85% using my max tank jugg build for win ratio


If you're basing that statement on my in-forum ED ID, then I'd like to add I have two lvl 35's.

Steffanov is an attempt at getting a higher W/L.



kosmo -> RE: Juggernaut (6/20/2013 12:44:01)

Obiously there s a difference in jugg, the stat difference between you and your opponents gets higher the higher your opponent s lvl is, so yes juggs need to be fixed adjusting lvl match up.



Emperor_Blitz -> RE: Juggernaut (6/21/2013 23:29:29)

i average a 75% but im a bh so i dont really have plasma armor or mineral armor which makes it harder in my opinon



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Juggernaut (6/21/2013 23:33:15)

@Emperor

But you have bloodlust and two sheilds



King Helios -> RE: Juggernaut (6/21/2013 23:34:26)

^ Yeah, bloodlust helps tho. As a BM, I'm something like 7-0* in jug today. Small sample size, but still. Jugg obstacle that hard at high levels, just high (well, 70+) percent usually takes some time.

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