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deoxy30 -> Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 7:32:47)

Whenever I lose a match, it's all because of this bot. A 3 focus 120+ hp bounty hunter is impossible to beat even if I emp him/her and if she has the bot. Please make the poison damage about 3-4 since it can be used multiple times in battle. TLM's ruin my day because of that bot. Surgical strike-Botantical Hazard is war to hard to beat. Almost everyone who doesn't have the bot loses about 60-70% of the time. It can't be cured by field medic as well. I mean like come on. TLM 5 focus 8 poison damage, azreal's will azreal's anhillator and that.. surgical strike including generator and reroute. I don't understand why AE would think of this. Discuss now! :o



Ranloth -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 7:40:36)

You're rendering the Bot useless then, even when loop-able. Fixed 3 damage and 3-4 damage afterwards? Bot would be near useless since players wouldn't even bother curing it. Why? 3 damage + 3-4 damage for 4 turns = 15-19 damage. Yes, because that's useful even when you can loop it.

Giving specific examples such as Azrael + Botanical will not get the Bot changed. Don't nerf something because it makes a combo with ANOTHER item and a SPECIFIC class. Why should I be penalized when I don't even have Azrael and can't loop it due to my build? How fair is that?



deoxy30 -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 7:51:15)

@trans Have you even seen tlm's with the bot? They don't let us loop bro after we emp. Same goes with bh and tm. bm doesn't have any skill but it can str spam and have the bot. So yeah, 3-4 damage isn't less in that case. Bot's are just for backups. Not to take over the game.



Ranloth -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 7:53:33)

Yes, I've seen it. And I've beat them as well, although I struggle due to no EP drain as a BloodMage - only my Gun to rely on. I do have the Bot too but I do find it better to use my Yeti with Omega weapons since it fits my build better.

3-4 damage is useless. There's a difference between nerfing something to make it balanced and nerfing it to oblivion. You may as well as remove cleanse because it's only rendering it useless. And possibly refund players - even though you can't - for nerfing their Bot by 50%. It's strong because it can be countered. Battle length isn't Bot's problem, it's your build and your opponent's that is drawing the battle out. Finish it quickly and you won't get the loop. You can't? Oh well.



deoxy30 -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 7:57:41)

First of all, I play 5 focus. Second of all, I hate str and third, tlm's can heal and use generator for the hp even if I do str-sup. Mostly because you have deadly aim and a good sidearm you have a good strategy. But me as a bh, I don't.



Ranloth -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 8:02:12)

1) Okay.
2) That's your problem. Variety isn't bad.
3) Yes, you can heal too and use Generator. They can loop EP but you can get HP back. Before you say passive Armors - they are completely ignored on Rage/Crits whilst BL is even stronger when coupled with Rage.
4) DA and Sidearm? Yeah, 50 Strength. My build focuses on defence, not offence from weapons.
5) You have Smoke, I don't. Not mentioning EMP which drains Energy, I can't do that.



Rayman -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 8:06:49)

quote:

Whenever I lose a match, it's all because of this bot. A 3 focus 120+ hp bounty hunter is impossible to beat even if I emp him/her and if she has the bot.


Not Impossible, im a 5 focus BH And I win them 100%, I only lose if they get lucky doing blocks (2) with 10 dex.

quote:

TLM 5 focus 8 poison damage, azreal's will azreal's anhillator and that.. surgical strike including generator and reroute.


Yes they are hard, But I still win these Tlms, I just won a tlm called imagine dragon and there was no luck for her and for me.

It's a bit hard for me because I don't have the azrael stuff, but Who cares.

Not sure if the bot needs a nerf, Let's wait what the rabble power can do about it.



deoxy30 -> RE: Botantical Hazard (7/8/2013 8:11:16)

True I can loop and get hp back. But they can take out my energy and yeah. Surgical Strike too. They do a good amount of 15 damage when they strike. If your build focuses on defence your sidearm and staff/sword is an offence. Yes, I have smoke but they have the botantical bot. plus they have a +13 on their defence. aka, im pwned. Same goes for bh, they have high hp and they can do good poison damage. Tm because they can tank everything and have a good plasma bolt and super charge with a good generator. 5 focus bm because they have reflex boost, which you can gain energy with, energy shield like bh and a botantical bot. All that sounds pretty neat and the problem is it's become too neat. Okay, I see that 3-4 dmg is very useless so how about making 8 dmg for poison robot a higher focus?

@Rayman

Lol, didn't look at this one. Yes, I know it isn't impossible but my build is such that I lose. I try a lot of corrections but nothing happens.



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